Is Jesus too liberal for Republicans?

@kellyjay said
Your doctrine does not line up with the scriptures as it is written, you need to read it without alterations, as you constantly do by adding to, or taking away! I do not accept half-truths, deceiver, you are forever taking scripture out of context trying to make what you believe fit scripture instead of lining up with scripture to find what you need to believe. That which i ...[text shortened]... your sins and will pay for each crime against deity and man you have ever done throughout eternity.

Therefore according to your church doctrine the following people are going to be tormented in hell for eternity:

- All people from Adam until the end of time who did not profess faith in the death and resurrection of Christ.
- All Jews and old patriachs including Abraham, Issac and Jacob, David, Solomon etc
- All people who Jesus Christ preached to. Apparently Jesus left out certain critical doctrines essential for eternal life.
- All the Good Samaritans of this world who help the needy, feed the hungry and clothe the naked.
- All the people who God called righteous and perfect eg Job, Enoch, Noah.

Who will then enter the Kingdom of God?
- All the people who professed faith, because they are born of the Spirit.

I think that sums up what you are saying.

@rajk999 said
Therefore according to your church doctrine the following people are going to be tormented in hell for eternity:

- All people from Adam until the end of time who did not profess faith in the death and resurrection of Christ.
- All Jews and old patriachs including Abraham, Issac and Jacob, David, Solomon etc
- All people who Jesus Christ preached to. Apparently Jesus l ...[text shortened]... o professed faith, because they are born of the Spirit.

I think that sums up what you are saying.

Liar, deceiver, what church do I go to and what doctrine of that church are you referring to? Half-truth-rajk, you rely more on the half that isn't true than that which is.

@rajk999 said
Therefore according to your church doctrine the following people are going to be tormented in hell for eternity:

- All people from Adam until the end of time who did not profess faith in the death and resurrection of Christ.
- All Jews and old patriachs including Abraham, Issac and Jacob, David, Solomon etc
- All people who Jesus Christ preached to. Apparently Jesus l ...[text shortened]... o professed faith, because they are born of the Spirit.

I think that sums up what you are saying.

What sums up what I have been telling you are the things Jesus spoke about. Nothing less than that. Jesus while speaking to the woman at the well told her that the Father is seeking those who worship Him in Spirit and truth, we cannot do that on our own but due to what Jesus did we can. Spirit of God who Jesus told us the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in His name will come into us to teach us. Jesus even told us that the Father knows how to give good gifts and we can go to Him and ask for the Holy Spirit, and over and over I have shared with you that without God's Spirit, we do not belong to God. As you correctly point out flesh is not spirit, meaning those in that condition without God's Spirit do not belong to God and they cannot please God, thus they will die in their sins.

Deny this as you do, you are denying the very promises of Christ, how we are redeemed by Him, making people think doing some good works is enough. Suggesting that goes against Biblical doctrine, and you continually do that suggesting we are not saved by God's grace through faith, but instead by doing good works.

@kellyjay said
What sums up what I have been telling you are the things Jesus spoke about. Nothing less than that. Jesus while speaking to the woman at the well told her that the Father is seeking those who worship Him in Spirit and truth, we cannot do that on our own but due to what Jesus did we can. Spirit of God who Jesus told us the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in His name ...[text shortened]... y do that suggesting we are not saved by God's grace through faith, but instead by doing good works.

You keep quoting stuff Jesus said to
- Nicodemus
- The woman at the well
- The disciples
These are 14 people.

The doctrine of Christ was preached to the thousands, you ignore that. Jesus further drove the point home in Matt 25 when he described clearly and in great detail who will enter the Kingdom of God, and you are so far from that, its incredible that you call yourself a Christian. Your church has completely screwed up your ability to think clearly.

Paul said that all people have received the free gift of justification, through the death of Christ. You want to ignore that because you do not want non-Christians to be justified. You relish the doctrine that all Jews will be condemned for not professing faith in Christ. You promote selfish Christianity, which is contrary to the true teaching of Christ. Christ justified all people, and all who do good works will enter the Kingdom of God. Christ wants righteous people not mouth-worshippers.

The only claim you have is that a righteous Christian who keeps the commandments will rule with Christ during the millennial period, at the second coming. Non-Christians wont have that privilege, but they will still enter the Kingdom of God after judgment.

@rajk999 said
You keep quoting stuff Jesus said to
- Nicodemus
- The woman at the well
- The disciples
These are 14 people.

The doctrine of Christ was preached to the thousands, you ignore that. Jesus further drove the point home in Matt 25 when he described clearly and in great detail who will enter the Kingdom of God, and you are so far from that, its incredible that you call yo ...[text shortened]... on-Christians wont have that privilege, but they will still enter the Kingdom of God after judgment.

Believe it or not, the things Jesus said matter, when He was speaking to each of them He was telling them truths that matter for everyone, NOT just those in that conversation. When He said the Father seeks those, it was directed to just that person, and He was telling her about something God wants that includes everyone.
When He said no one can even see the Kingdom of God without being born again it was not just Nicodemus who had to be born again, He was sharing a truth about everyone and the Kingdom of God.

How blind you are that you choose to ignore what Jesus says are imperatives for everyone and reduce those statements only to those He was speaking to. The amount of people in any conversation doesn't alter anything unless He says something to make the conversation just about them, my saying you are a deceiver that ignores Jesus's words even though I'm only talking to you is a truth everyone should know that reads this.

You liar, you don't know what church I go to, you don't know its doctrine, but you speak as if you do, what church doctrine are you referring to what church do you think I go to, I'm giving you scripture without the hoops you are jumping through so you can ignore its truth and meaning, and your concern about something you do not know of and talking about it as if you do, meanwhile the scriptures that contain the truths that Jesus spoke you IGNORE, deceiver.

Your lies about justification and salvation must come straight out of the pit of Hell, Satan has your ear, your mouth, and your heart.

@kellyjay said

Your lies about justification and salvation must come straight out of the pit of Hell, Satan has your ear, your mouth, and your heart.

I know this does not sit well with your selfish version of Christianity but its in the bible. All people are justified by the death of Christ There are many such statements. Here is one.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)

Its the free gift of God to all people. This is the only time the expressions FREE GIFT is used in the bible. Its FREE, that means there is nothing to do... no good works are required, no profession of faith is required. That is what FREE means. Plus it came upon all people whether they like it or not. Just like how condemnation by the sin of Adam came upon all people whether they like it or not, the justification by the death of Christ came upon all people. This is what Paul called the Grace of God, which is the FREE GIFT of the death of Christ.

Jesus never told people he was going to die for the sins of the world. Nobody needs to know that, and that knowledge is not required. All people are required to do is to live righteously and keep the commandments. Christians like I already said are in a different class of people, because of their faith.

The aim of your church doctrine is to condemn the world. Jesus saved the whole world by is death and only requires righteousness and good works.

Your church doctrine is what is Satanic.

@kellyjay said
Believe it or not, the things Jesus said matter, when He was speaking to each of them He was telling them truths that matter for everyone, NOT just those in that conversation. When He said the Father seeks those, it was directed to just that person, and He was telling her about something God wants that includes everyone.
When He said no one can even see the Kingdom of Go ...[text shortened]... st Nicodemus who had to be born again, He was sharing a truth about everyone and the Kingdom of God.

You are a moron. What is critical is what Jesus preached to the thousands. A man who heard Jesus Sermon on the Mount and lived by those teachings will enter the Kingdom of God. He does not need to
- know Jesus died for him
- profess faith in Christ
- know he is saved by Grace
- go to your church
The righteous will be born of the Spirit in the end after judgment. Do you think your pastor makes you a born again Christian or born of the Spirit?

@rajk999 said
You are a moron. What is critical is what Jesus preached to the thousands. A man who heard Jesus Sermon on the Mount and lived by those teachings will enter the Kingdom of God. He does not need to
- know Jesus died for him
- profess faith in Christ
- know he is saved by Grace
- go to your church
The righteous will be born of the Spirit in the end after judgment. Do you think your pastor makes you a born again Christian or born of the Spirit?

The numbers in front of Him could vary it’s the topic He was addressing not the number of people listening. When He said something was required or necessary it didn’t matter how many were there to hear Him, the written word ensued everyone would know.

@kellyjay said
The numbers in front of Him could vary it’s the topic He was addressing not the number of people listening. When He said something was required or necessary it didn’t matter how many were there to hear Him, the written word ensued everyone would know.

what a stupid man you are. The written word was published almost 1600 years after Jesus left the earth. There was no written word before that, except for the Old Testament. The Gospels were written about 50 to 60 years after than and it was not easily available to people.

Therefore the people who heard the Sermon on the Mount and who never saw Jesus after that, neither Paul or any of the Apostles, they are doomed and will be tormented for eternity. Your church doctrine is nonsense and you are really an A$$$.

@rajk999 said
what a stupid man you are. The written word was published almost 1600 years after Jesus left the earth. There was no written word before that, except for the Old Testament. The Gospels were written about 50 to 60 years after than and it was not easily available to people.

Therefore the people who heard the Sermon on the Mount and who never saw Jesus after that, neither ...[text shortened]... ed and will be tormented for eternity. Your church doctrine is nonsense and you are really an A$$$.

The written word was written during the lifetimes of the Apostles and shared throughout as the church spread. You again cast doubt on the written word, the same word you correct and justify yourself with, two-face, liar, and deceiver.

@kellyjay said
The written word was written during the lifetimes of the Apostles and shared throughout as the church spread. You again cast doubt on the written word, the same word you correct and justify yourself with, two-face, liar, and deceiver.

Jesus preached the true doctrine only to Nicodemus and the disciples.
Only them from that period will be in the Kingdom of God.
I got it. Everybody else is damned.
You are a dunce.

@rajk999 said
Jesus preached the true doctrine only to Nicodemus and the disciples.
Only them from that period will be in the Kingdom of God.
I got it. Everybody else is damned.
You are a dunce.

Jesus always spoke the truth, and when He said something is required it is required. He is either Lord or He is not, we are saved by the grace of God through faith, those without faith in Christ are not saved, because they have not believed in the only begotten of the Father. Are you calling Jesus a liar, to say otherwise?

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

@kellyjay said
Jesus always spoke the truth, and when He said something is required it is required. He is either Lord or He is not, we are saved by the grace of God through faith, those without faith in Christ are not saved, because they have not believed in the only begotten of the Father. Are you calling Jesus a liar, to say otherwise?

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not cond ...[text shortened]... es not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

You claim Jesus always spoke the truth .

Then you proceed to list certain church doctrines none of which Jesus preached
1. we are saved by the grace of God through faith
2. those without faith in Christ are not saved,

Please provide references for these statements you attributed to Jesus Christ.

@rajk999 said
You claim Jesus always spoke the truth .

Then you proceed to list certain church doctrines none of which Jesus preached
1. we are saved by the grace of God through faith
2. those without faith in Christ are not saved,

Please provide references for these statements you attributed to Jesus Christ.

I attribute them to God’s Word, deceiver you ignore both Jesus’ words He spoke and equally damning you ignore the truth given by the Holy Spirit as He gave instructions to Christ’ Apostles. You know and refuse to acknowledge God’s truth and try to replace God’s truth with your opinion.

I just quoted Jesus to you and you ignore that trying to muddy the conversation with something different than what you are already confronted with

@kellyjay said
I attribute them to God’s Word, deceiver you ignore both Jesus’ words He spoke and equally damning you ignore the truth given by the Holy Spirit as He gave instructions to Christ’ Apostles. You know and refuse to acknowledge God’s truth and try to replace God’s truth with your opinion.

I just quoted Jesus to you and you ignore that trying to muddy the conversation with something different than what you are already confronted with

Got nothing ... lol ???

So Jesus preached about the Kingdom of God, and how to enter, to 10,000 people, you ignore that

Jesus told one man about being born of the Spirit. Yet you harp on that all day claiming that is the most important thing in the bible.

What kind of idiot are you?