Is Jesus too liberal for Republicans?

@kellyjay said
Well then provide the documentation that is required to make that statement! What church doctrine, where are you going to find it so you can make a claim that says it is different!?

To date what you do when you’re being called out for contradictory statements, it is almost automatic, you claim your right and church doctrine is wrong, even when all that was shared was scr ...[text shortened]... , only you can read the Bible correctly, and if anyone disagrees it their church doctrine, deceiver.

This is really very simple. Jesus says
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

You claim to be born of the Spirit, but you are wrong. You are born of the flesh so you have flesh and bones. Could be as a Christian you have the Holy Spirit, you are born of water, therefore baptised, you have the Spirt of Christ, you are guided by God etc etc. But you are still flesh and bones. Someone born of the Spirit is spirit without flesh and bones like Jesus said. So you are wrong.

Jesus, while He was on the earth was not born of the Spirit either, because he was not spirit, He said he was flesh and bones and not spirit. When he left this planet chances are he was transformed into he new spirit body.

Neither was Paul or any of the Apostles spirit, they were all flesh and bones humans. You cannot be human with flesh and bones and be spirit at the same time. Its one or the other.

@rajk999 said
This is really very simple. Jesus says
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

You claim to be born of the Spirit, but you are wrong. You are born of the flesh so you have flesh and bones. Could be as a Christian you have the Holy Spirit, you are born of water, therefo ...[text shortened]... ans. You cannot be human with flesh and bones and be spirit at the same time. Its one or the other.

Yet another worshipper of the text, without understanding the meaning.

@suzianne said
Yet another worshipper of the text, without understanding the meaning.

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV)

Paul said to shut up, go make some children
You continue to do the opposite.
You promote homosexuality.
You constantly running your mouth here.
You going to hell woman.

@rajk999 said
You are a defeated man.
Jesus says one thing.
You say another.
Its that simple.

You are a liar and deceiver, you say one thing and do another, you claim scripture has authority and dismiss it, you claim you follow Jesus and find excuses to ignore His words, you present yourself as a follower of Christ and deny the Holy Spirit. Your half truths and lies make up your doctrine when you claim that the scripture is saying it doesn’t.

@kellyjay said
You are a liar and deceiver, you say one thing and do another, you claim scripture has authority and dismiss it, you claim you follow Jesus and find excuses to ignore His words, you present yourself as a follower of Christ and deny the Holy Spirit. Your half truths and lies make up your doctrine when you claim that the scripture is saying it doesn’t.

Not really interested in all that. There is only one issue here. Do you onsider yourself born of the Spirit, and why?

@rajk999 said
Not really interested in all that. There is only one issue here. Do you onsider yourself born of the Spirit, and why?

Well, the why is very clear it is what is in the Word of God, with a plain reading of text saying so, while your deception of changing text from saying what it clearly says so that some scripture appears to contradict other scriptures is a deceitful lie.

@kellyjay said
Well, the why is very clear it is what is in the Word of God, with a plain reading of text saying so, while your deception of changing text from saying what it clearly says so that some scripture appears to contradict other scriptures is a deceitful lie.

No clear answer. No references. The deceitful one is you apparently.

The truth is, the expression born of the Spirit , appears only in John 3. Paul never used that expression at all. He used similar expressions but with a different meaning.

Jesus explained what he meant. Here it is again
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

Therefore if you have flesh and bones then you are not born of the Spirit.

@rajk999 said
No clear answer. No references. The deceitful one is you apparently.

The truth is, the expression born of the Spirit , appears only in John 3. Paul never used that expression at all. He used similar expressions but with a different meaning.

Jesus explained what he meant. Here it is again
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Sp ...[text shortened]... h and bones. [Luke 24]

Therefore if you have flesh and bones then you are not born of the Spirit.

You must be born again is Jesus talking about what must happen even to see the Kingdom of God, having the Spirit of God in the believers is something that is required. Your counting on how many times something is said does not minimize the truth of the statement, neither was it a direct statement applicable only to the one He was talking to.

Jesus spoke a great deal about the Holy Spirit coming. The Holy Spirit was sent by Christ so that we may learn the things of God, and without the Spirit of God, you do not belong to Him, making being born again by the Spirit a necessity that cannot be blown off simply because you don't like it.

John 7
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Acts 1:5
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Romans 5:5
and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact, the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Oh, deceiver, you are nothing but a natural man acting as if you grasp spiritual truths that you are blind to. You are setting up a god to your liking, not the Lord God who has given us His written word, but also the Spirit of God in us, you deny what God requires. About here when confronted with scripture you spout off about some church doctrine from what church I have no idea, what doctrine is also a mystery since you only make the claims without producing anything to justify it. Decieving those who think you have some clue what are talking about, you do not.

@kellyjay said
You must be born again is Jesus talking about what must happen even to see the Kingdom of God, having the Spirit of God in the believers is something that is required. Your counting on how many times something is said does not minimize the truth of the statement, neither was it a direct statement applicable only to the one He was talking to.

Jesus spoke a great deal abou ...[text shortened]... hing to justify it. Decieving those who think you have some clue what are talking about, you do not.

All those references are totally off the point. Nothing you have quoted remotely resembles what Jesus spoke of. Jesus spoke of a literal rebirth, not from your mothers womb as Nicodemus thought but from being 'born of the Spirit' None of your references changes the professed believer from flesh to spirit. In all of your references the man remains flesh and bones, therefore he is not spirit.

Again Jesus said :
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

So the question remains, are you [or any believer for that matter], flesh and bones? Then you are not spirit and that transformation into a spirit being has not yet happened. That only occurs prior to entry into the kingdom of God.

Not even Jesus was born of the spirit while he was on the earth. He was flesh and bones as he clearly stated.

@rajk999 said
All those references are totally off the point. Nothing you have quoted remotely resembles what Jesus spoke of. Jesus spoke of a literal rebirth, not from your mothers womb as Nicodemus thought but from being 'born of the Spirit' None of your references changes the professed believer from flesh to spirit. In all of your references the man remains flesh and bones, theref ...[text shortened]... Jesus was born of the spirit while he was on the earth. He was flesh and bones as he clearly stated.

Born of the Spirit, requires the Spirit of God! Man cannot turn himself into a born-again person without the Spirit of God, it is a divine act of God, not by the will of man that man does this. That which is born of flesh is exactly that fleshly, that is of the Spirit, is of God, without the Spirit of God you are only fleshly! Without the Spirit of God, you are unable to know the things of God, which you do clearly show each time you attempt to justify your claims that run counter to the Word of God.

You deny who Jesus says was sent to us the Holy Spirit! There is no question that "remains," God has answered all of our needs in Christ Jesus, and by the Spirit of God, we have peace with God through the redemption of God by Jesus Christ, not our human efforts establish ourselves right by God by our efforts.

While you have time, if you have time you should repent! Otherwise, you are going to die in your sins and there will be nothing for you but a devil's hell.

@kellyjay said
Born of the Spirit, requires the Spirit of God! Man cannot turn himself into a born-again person without the Spirit of God, it is a divine act of God, not by the will of man that man does this. That which is born of flesh is exactly that fleshly, that is of the Spirit, is of God, without the Spirit of God you are only fleshly! Without the Spirit of God, you are unable to k ...[text shortened]... Otherwise, you are going to die in your sins and there will be nothing for you but a devil's hell.

When a man is defeated he graciously accepts defeat, or he does like you, continue to ramble on about irrelevant nonsense, and get abusive.

You are flesh and bones.
Therefore you, nobody for that matter, is born of the Spirit.
Born of the Spirit is what God does prior to entry into the Kingdom of God.
Even Jesus Christ while he was on the earth was born of the Spirit as he was also flesh and bones. So you certainly are not born of the Spriit.

So continue to ramble on like a madman.

@rajk999 said
When a man is defeated he graciously accepts defeat, or he does like you, continue to ramble on about irrelevant nonsense, and get abusive.

You are flesh and bones.
Therefore you, nobody for that matter, is born of the Spirit.
Born of the Spirit is what God does prior to entry into the Kingdom of God.
Even Jesus Christ while he was on the earth was born of the Spirit as ...[text shortened]... and bones. So you certainly are not born of the Spriit.

So continue to ramble on like a madman.

Deceiver, you are in opposition to what the scriptures teaches us, and opposed to the very grace and mercy of God. You ignore text that goes against what you proclaim without addressing the text, with no explanation you dismiss scripture in favor of your delusions. Proclaiming you have proven your point without addressing the text that shows you are wrong.

@kellyjay said
Deceiver, you are in opposition to what the scriptures teaches us, and opposed to the very grace and mercy of God. You ignore text that goes against what you proclaim without addressing the text, with no explanation you dismiss scripture in favor of your delusions. Proclaiming you have proven your point without addressing the text that shows you are wrong.

You seem to have allowed jajk999’s posts to really get under your skin and bring out more of your nasty side.

@kellyjay said
Deceiver, you are in opposition to what the scriptures teaches us, and opposed to the very grace and mercy of God. You ignore text that goes against what you proclaim without addressing the text, with no explanation you dismiss scripture in favor of your delusions. Proclaiming you have proven your point without addressing the text that shows you are wrong.

I am quoting what Jesus says. You are quoting what your church preached based on a twisted version of Pauls teachings. Paul never used the expression 'born of the Spirit'

Christ says very clearly :
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

Your church has twisted what Paul said and called it 'born of the Spriit'.

@rajk999 said
I am quoting what Jesus says. You are quoting what your church preached based on a twisted version of Pauls teachings. Paul never used the expression 'born of the Spirit'

Christ says very clearly :
- that which is born of flesh is flesh
- that which is born of the Spirit is spirit [John 3]
- a spirit hath not flesh and bones. [Luke 24]

Your church has twisted what Paul said and called it 'born of the Spriit'.

Deceiver, when Jesus is explaining to someone spiritual requirements, then those are spiritual requirements, you must be born again, period. You have nothing that suggests it was only something true for one person, then there are all of the scriptures that say we must have the Spirit of God or we are not one of His, that is not a reference to good works that is something one on one with God. Couple that with all of the verses that speak to we must abide in Him, and He is us it was quite clear what scripture is teaching us, and you twisting of the word so that it doesn't mean what it is clearly saying show you are a liar, and a deceiver who preaches a works over grace doctrine, a twisted version of the scriptures not just Paul's but all of them.