Is Jesus too liberal for Republicans?

@kellyjay said
Those who Jesus says He does not know are cast out, anyone can do a good work but knowing Him is something only God can do as He calls us to Himself. Deceiver, you are putting works as the reason for our salvation it is the grace of God, nothing we can do can bring us justly before God on our own. We cannot think our way to Him, we will not even move to Him without His cal ...[text shortened]... e into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Nothing there from the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

So far it appears you have lost your way
Your church doctrine is not the truth
And you do not seem to have any hope of eternal life.

In any case I have repeatedly stated that
All people are justified by the Grace of God, through Christ.
This is the free gift of God to all people
Therefore the reason for salvation is Christ, through Grace.
FOR ALL PEOPLE

Paul stated that very clearly.

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:17-18 KJV)

@kellyjay said
We are saved by the grace of God it is mercy on His part from beginning to end. We are called to do the good works He has for us, just as we are called to take on a new life that requires us to be born again. These are all acts of God alone none of which can we take credit for ourselves it is through Him, so at no point are we better than anyone else, but you think you are, ...[text shortened]... not, you are a deceiver, who preaches a Jesus of works, not the one found in scripture, blasphemer.

This entire post is all church rubbish and the complete opposite of what Jesus said

We are saved by the grace of God it is mercy on His part from beginning to end. We are called to do the good works He has for us, just as we are called to take on a new life that requires us to be born again. These are all acts of God alone none of which can we take credit for ourselves it is through Him, so at no point are we better than anyone else, but you think you are, you and the antichrists here do too.
All of these are actions of God, and without God, all the good works you do will never be enough. You are putting your efforts, and your works before the grace of God.
Deceiver, you are not putting your faith in Jesus Christ, you are working for your salvation, and as you do this, you put yourself above other people by claiming to be something they are not, you are a deceiver, who preaches a Jesus of works, not the one found in scripture, blasphemer.

This is why if there is a group of people the Christian is the last one to offer help to someone in need.

There is a very simple proof that all this is nonsense. Before Jesus came and before people professed faith in Christ, people were doing good works. The Good Samaritan did not know Christ at all and yet he was a good neighbour. Jews and Gentiles who lived righteously BEFORE CHRIST, will be judged and will get eternal life.

Your church doctrine condemns 90% of the world -
Everyone before Christ are doomed
All non Christians are doomed
People who believe in doing good works are blasphemers and therefore doomed

Only people like you who profess faith and sit on your a$$ and do nothing apparently will get into the Kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
This is the reason why I have very little respect for church people in general. This is how they behave in discussions. Josephw does the same thing. Sonship as well. They ignore what you are saying and pretend they do not understand. Church indoctrination removes your ability to reason and to think clearly.

Yes, you get quoted scripture in context without and personal spin making the Word simply say what it says. You don’t do that, you quote scripture and imply more to the text than what it clearly says, altering meaning to include your additional verbiage. Half truths and lies, that is you!

@kellyjay said
Yes, you get quoted scripture in context without and personal spin making the Word simply say what it says. You don’t do that, you quote scripture and imply more to the text than what it clearly says, altering meaning to include your additional verbiage. Half truths and lies, that is you!

What gibberish is that? You going insane KJ.
Better stop posting.

@rajk999 said
What gibberish is that? You going insane KJ.
Better stop posting.

When you quote Jesus about the things His followers will be doing you present it backwards as if the doing of them are the things that saves them. It is not instead it’s because Jesus saves us we do them, we are saved by the grace of God not by our works.

Being the deceiver you are you reject scripture that runs counter to your personal beliefs and with your half-truths and out and out lies will hinder some from understanding and asking Christ for forgiveness. You doctrine is straight out of hell, promoting human efforts over the blood of Jesus.

@rajk999 said
This entire post is all church rubbish and the complete opposite of what Jesus said

[i]We are saved by the grace of God it is mercy on His part from beginning to end. We are called to do the good works He has for us, just as we are called to take on a new life that requires us to be born again. These are all acts of God alone none of which can we take credit for ourselves ...[text shortened]... ou who profess faith and sit on your a$$ and do nothing apparently will get into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus said we must be born again, exactly what does that mean to you?

@kellyjay said
When you quote Jesus about the things His followers will be doing you present it backwards as if the doing of them are the things that saves them. It is not instead it’s because Jesus saves us we do them, we are saved by the grace of God not by our works.

Being the deceiver you are you reject scripture that runs counter to your personal beliefs and with your half-truths ...[text shortened]... forgiveness. You doctrine is straight out of hell, promoting human efforts over the blood of Jesus.

You keep repeating all that without providing references because there are none. Thats your fabricated church doctrine, designed to bring people down and tell them they are filthy sinners and can do nothing.

Again, Jesus said nothing of the sort. Jesus builds people up and encourages them to do and to act and to help others, and to be charitable. So far you have done nothng like that. People have been doing good works and living righteously long before Jesus.

@kellyjay said
Jesus said we must be born again, exactly what does that mean to you?

Jesus said this to the many thousands and thousands:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)

This Jesus did so that they can understand who gets eternal life and what they need to do and how they need to live

Jesus said "you must be born again" in a private conversation with one man Nicodemus. This matter of being born again is another one of your false doctrines. I commented on this in another thread. Read it there.

@rajk999 said
Jesus said this to the many thousands and thousands:

[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall ...[text shortened]... again is another one of your false doctrines. I commented on this in another thread. Read it there.

So according to you, correct me if I am wrong, because Jesus was talking to Nicodemus alone at least as far as you know. Nicodemus alone is the only person in all of history that must be born again? Why do you think this?

@kellyjay said
So according to you, correct me if I am wrong, because Jesus was talking to Nicodemus alone at least as far as you know. Nicodemus alone is the only person in all of history that must be born again? Why do you think this?

There is lots of stuff that is recorded that does not apply... eg Jesus is sending out the disciples to preach, contained instrutions that do not apply now.

The fact that Jesus told that to Nicodemus alone and no one else means that that is not something to be concerned about, neither is it something that you do. You can be baptised and that is born of water. That is NOT born of the Spirit.

As I said before, churches have twisted this matter that Jesus told Nicodemus. The process of being born again is what God does to the righteous prior to getting eternal life. People are going to be transformed from fleshly beings to spiritual beings. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Right now on this earth, NOBODY is born again in the sense Jesus means. Christians are baprised with water and that is born of water. Born of the Spirit has not yet occurred. If you think you are you are fooling yourself.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:5-8 KJV)

If you can move like the wind, let me know.

@rajk999 said
There is lots of stuff that is recorded that does not apply... eg Jesus is sending out the disciples to preach, contained instrutions that do not apply now.

The fact that Jesus told that to Nicodemus alone and no one else means that that is not something to be concerned about, neither is it something that you do. You can be baptised and that is born of water. That is NOT ...[text shortened]... ne that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:5-8 KJV) [/i]

If you can move like the wind, let me know.

You have no clue, no idea what you are talking about this a necessary thing, we must be born again, there is nothing anywhere that suggests that isn't true for everyone outside of you saying so. Being born of the Spirit is every time someone gets saved and baptized by the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts, and read everywhere they talked about being baptized. You are deceived, that a straightforward reading of scripture without your spin can take something so important and say it isn't so. Your whole doctrine is telling people they must act to be saved instead of putting one's faith in Christ.

Jesus said He was sending the Holy Spirit, the Comforter who would lead us and guide us into truth, but you deny this, as you deny being born of the Spirit where Jesus said it was necessary, straight out of hell must be voices be that entertain your ears.

@kellyjay said
You have no clue, no idea what you are talking about this a necessary thing, we must be born again, there is nothing anywhere that suggests that isn't true for everyone outside of you saying so. Being born of the Spirit is every time someone gets baptized by the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts, and read everywhere they talked about being baptized. You are deceived, that a ...[text shortened]... where Jesus said it was necessary, straight out of hell must be voices be that entertain your ears.

I notice you have no references so I can only conclude there are none and you just promoting your church doctrine again. Here is how it works:
1. A man believes in Christ and professes faith.
2. He is baptised in water - referred to as born of water
3. According to Paul there are those who received Holy Spirit gifts {this is not born of the Spirit which means they receive a spiritual body]
4. The man lives his life [still in his fleshly body, with the gifts of the Holy Spirit] and awaits judgment day
5. If he is found to be evil he is cast out
6. If he is righteous he is now born of the Spirit, given a new spiritual body.

Paul described this process in #6 many times. Here is one:
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:20-21 KJV)

Paul who is baptised and therefore born of water, with the Holy Spirit is still in his fleshly body awaiting his transformation into a glorious spiritual body, just like that of Christ. RIght now all believers are in their fleshly body.

Jesus's explaination that a spiritual body can move like the wind, should have been enough to prove the point but you rather believe in the church pastor. The fact is no fleshly body on this earth can move like the wind, therefore nobody has yet been given a spiritual body. After judgment the fleshly body dies and a new spiritual body is given to the righteous.

Paul again explains :
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. (1 Corinthians 15:50-53 KJV)

All people are flesh and blood and in that state they cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. They must be changed into a spiritual, incorruptible body which is immortal. That is what it means to be born of the Spirit.

The hard proof is this - you cannot move like the wind as Jesus said. Therefore you are not yet born of the Spirit

@rajk999 said
I notice you have no references so I can only conclude there are none and you just promoting your church doctrine again. Here is how it works:
1. A man believes in Christ and professes faith.
2. He is baptised in water - referred to as born of water
3. According to Paul there are those who received Holy Spirit gifts {this is not born of the Spirit which means they rec ...[text shortened]... his - you cannot move like the wind as Jesus said. Therefore you are not yet born of the Spirit [/b]

You are looking for scripture, why, you lying hypocrite? Do you hold that the scripture is the revealed word of God, that you must conform to? You ignore text when it suits you without explanation other than your lies about church doctrine! You make up excuses to avoid taking the plain meaning of the text over and over! When the scripture says you must be born again then you must be born again, deceiver! You were already given a text!

@kellyjay said
You are looking for scripture, why, you lying hypocrite? Do you hold that the scripture is the revealed word of God, that you must conform to? You ignore text when it suits you without explanation other than your lies about church doctrine! You make up excuses to avoid taking the plain meaning of the text over and over! When the scripture says you must be born again then you must be born again, deceiver! You were already given a text!

Abuse in every post .... Lol 🙂

Thats how you know a man has failed.

@kellyjay said
Do you hold that the scripture is the revealed word of God, that you must conform to? You ignore text when it suits you

What text am I ignoring? You are the one ignoring Christ, who stated clearly those who are born of the Spirit move like the wind. Can you do that?