@kellyjay saidSuch venom and hate for the teachings of Christ. Those who enter the Kingdom of God are the ones who
You are a deceiving lying hypocrite we are saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, as redeemed we will be the people Jesus spoke about there, because with the Holy Spirit we can do the work of God. This will be because we are redeemed saved by God’s grace, which in your perversion of scriptures having us working to be worthy of God!
Deceiving anyone who listens to ...[text shortened]... ad of giving Christ the glory for winning our salvation you diminish it saying we have to add to it.
- feed the hungry
- clothe the naked
- help the needy.
Jesus said nothing about
- saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,
- with the Holy Spirit we can do the work of God.
- redeemed saved by God’s grace,
- giving Christ the glory for winning our salvation
[Of course everyone is saved by Gods grace. That is the FREE GIFT of God to all people. Its not however something to harp about because the death of Christ does not give you eternal life. It removes the curse of the sin of Adam]
This is all the fiction promoted by the church. Your church has messed up your mind, telling you that you are a worthless, hopeless filthy sinner. Jesus never said that to anyone.
Jesus lifts up people by telling them to do good works and live righteously by helping others. You and your church are destroying people by preaching that rubbish.
Now you are so messed up you want to gas people and do hurtful things to people who disagree with you. What a disgrace you have become.
04 Sep 23
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@rajk999 saidFor one who lies about the salvation of Jesus Christ, your deception is one of the more horrific there is. No one disputes we are called to do good works, the dispute is why, to get good enough, or to score points to enter into the Kingdom of God, or because Jesus saves us and wants us to do them. That is the eternal question and you deceiver are leading people astray and giving them comfort in their sins by making them think they are right with God if they do good works as if that is enough.
Such venom and hate for the teachings of Christ. Those who enter the Kingdom of God are the ones who
- feed the hungry
- clothe the naked
- help the needy.
Jesus said nothing about
- saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,
- with the Holy Spirit we can do the work of God.
- redeemed saved by God’s grace,
- giving Christ the glory for winning our salvation ...[text shortened]... gas people and do hurtful things to people who disagree with you. What a disgrace you have become.
@kellyjay saidWhat a load of church nonsense ... Called to do good works?? You have to do good works. Here is an example from Christ about the Rich Man and Lazarus :
For one who lies about the salvation of Jesus Christ, your deception is one of the more horrific there is. No one disputes we are called to do good works, the dispute is why, to get good enough, or to score points to enter into the Kingdom of God, or because Jesus saves us and wants us to do them. That is the eternal question and you deceiver are leading people astray and g ...[text shortened]... their sins by making them think they are right with God if they do good works as if that is enough.
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(Luke 16:19-24 KJV)
Those who fail to do good works [ feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc] are sent to hell to be tormented. Those who do good works get eternal life.
While I quote Christ, you continue with your church doctrine...
Q : What shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Answer from Jesus : Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Who is a good neighbour - Not the Church people, but the ordinary man. Jesus said to go and do like the Good Samaritan. (Luke 10:25-37 KJV)
Notice ... not a word about :
- believing in the death and resurrection
- believing you are a filthy sinner and need Gods grace
- being called to do good works
- saved by grace through faith.
- being born again
Those who do good works enter the Kingdom of God.
The priests, Levites, church pastors, and all who ignore Christ get damnation
04 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidWe are saved by the grace of God it is mercy on His part from beginning to end. We are called to do the good works He has for us, just as we are called to take on a new life that requires us to be born again. These are all acts of God alone none of which can we take credit for ourselves it is through Him, so at no point are we better than anyone else, but you think you are, you and the antichrists here do too.
What a load of church nonsense ... Called to do good works?? You have to do good works. Here is an example from Christ about the Rich Man and Lazarus :
[i]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be ...[text shortened]... ood works get eternal life. [/b]
While I quote Christ, you continue with your church doctrine...
All of these are actions of God, and without God, all the good works you do will never be enough. You are putting your efforts, and your works before the grace of God.
Deceiver, you are not putting your faith in Jesus Christ, you are working for your salvation, and as you do this, you put yourself above other people by claiming to be something they are not, you are a deceiver, who preaches a Jesus of works, not the one found in scripture, blasphemer.
05 Sep 23
@kellyjay saidQuote Jesus Christ if possible, thank you.
We are saved by the grace of God it is mercy on His part from beginning to end. We are called to do the good works He has for us, just as we are called to take on a new life that requires us to be born again. These are all acts of God alone none of which can we take credit for ourselves it is through Him, so at no point are we better than anyone else, but you think you are, ...[text shortened]... not, you are a deceiver, who preaches a Jesus of works, not the one found in scripture, blasphemer.
We have had enough of your church nonsense.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, not your silly church.
05 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidQuote scripture in context without embellishment to read things into it that are not actually being said, your personal interpretations are godless to Biblical truth.
Quote Jesus Christ if possible, thank you.
We have had enough of your church nonsense.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, not your silly church.
05 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidSo you now admit some get damnation, interesting, what changed your mind?
Q : What shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[i]Answer from Jesus : Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Who is a good neighbour - Not the Church people, but the ordinary man. Jesus said to go and do like the Good Samaritan. (Luke 10:25-37 ...[text shortened]... Kingdom of God.
The priests, Levites, church pastors, and all who ignore Christ get damnation [/b]
05 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidDeciever, you keep bringing up my church as if you know what its doctrine is, you do not so you are LYING again.
Quote Jesus Christ if possible, thank you.
We have had enough of your church nonsense.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, not your silly church.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
@kellyjay saidRajk999 has been talking explicitly about those who will experience "damnation" for almost two decades. He's talked about it ad infinitum in conversations with you. And here you are wittering on about how he's supposedly changed his mind?! You are SUCH a low-integrity poster.
So you now admit some get damnation, interesting, what changed your mind?
05 Sep 23
@kellyjay saidYou are STILL pretending that you don't know what the term "church doctrine" means when one is contrasting "Jesus's teaching" and "church doctrine". You are pretending not to know what it means. Are seem incapable of conversing in good faith?
Deciever, you keep bringing up my church as if you know what its doctrine is, you do not so you are LYING again.
05 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidThose who Jesus says He does not know are cast out, anyone can do a good work but knowing Him is something only God can do as He calls us to Himself. Deceiver, you are putting works as the reason for our salvation it is the grace of God, nothing we can do can bring us justly before God on our own. We cannot think our way to Him, we will not even move to Him without His calling, and we most certainly cannot compel God to save us because of our actions. Our actions show we are sinners in need of a Savior. God is our Savior, not our efforts, the only thing that compelled God to save us is the love He has for us, nothing about us could do that.
You really are a dunce. Those who do no good works are cast out as Jesus said. You are dense.
Luke 3:5-7
English Standard Version
Every valley shall be filled,
and every mountain and hill shall be made low,
and the crooked shall become straight,
and the rough places shall become level ways,
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”
He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
John 3
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
05 Sep 23
@fmf saidThis is the reason why I have very little respect for church people in general. This is how they behave in discussions. Josephw does the same thing. Sonship as well. They ignore what you are saying and pretend they do not understand. Church indoctrination removes your ability to reason and to think clearly.
Rajk999 has been talking explicitly about those who will experience "damnation" for almost two decades. He's talked about it ad infinitum in conversations with you. And here you are wittering on about how he's supposedly changed his mind?! You are SUCH a low-integrity poster.