Living in Truth.

@galveston75 said
OH Rajk, do as you feel and we will do as we feel. But no where once have we ever said one will burn in hell if they don't go door to door. That's a really lame statement.
But the bible is clear on what Jesus said to do. So again go ahead and do your thing, but you have no right to condemn us for doing exactly what Jesus said to do. If we are wrong at least we've made ...[text shortened]... said to those standing by, ‘Take the miʹna from him and give it to the one who has the ten miʹnas.’i

Nothing in there about going door to door. And it is the JWs that do the condeming. I have said that you can go door to door all you like. You are saying that if people do not go door to door then they are not following Christ. You are using your false interpretation of the bible to condemn others.

@secondson said
I agree in principle with what you are saying. Grace is not a license for sin. Everybody knows that except for a few reprobates.

BUT, justification is an act of God, and is in no wise contributed to by any work of the flesh.

Consider Ephesians 2:1-6
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the cour ...[text shortened]... n of righteousness is done by God Himself on our behalf by grace alone, and not by any human effort.

This what you wrote is not in the bible

All the work of salvation, which includes justification, sanctification and the imputation of righteousness is done by God Himself on our behalf by grace alone, and not by any human effort..

That is pure church doctrine.

This one sentence here from Paul contradicts that

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:13 KJV).

Your one sided view of justification and salvation is also contradicted by all the times in Paul writings to all the born again Christian saints, that they MUST live righteously otherwise they will not enter the Kingdom of God. Your church doctrine ignores that warning from Paul. Instead you claim eternal justification. Clearly there is something that followers and Christians need to DO.

@rajk999 said
Nothing in there about going door to door. And it is the JWs that do the condeming. I have said that you can go door to door all you like. You are saying that if people do not go door to door then they are not following Christ. You are using your false interpretation of the bible to condemn others.

So you do not know what those scriptures are speaking of?

@galveston75 said
I've never disappeared as you say because of anything I've read of anything posted here. I've left a few times because of the crap thrown at me because of my beliefs.

But surely the “crap thrown at you” was indeed “anything you’ve read” in this forum?

@galveston75 said
So forgive me for leaving at times. But during this last couple years my mother died, my sister disappeared from all of us for a year for very selfish reasons and I didn't know if she was dead or alive, my father has tried to kill himself twice from depression, I have had three surgeries and still need more which one is a serious surgery that I'm scared to death to do.

I’m sorry to hear of your family losses, I recognise that you post freely about them and you’ve explained on several occasions how these family dynamics impact your posting protocol here at rhp.

I’ve lost a parent a while ago, a brother-in law in recent months and worry constantly about one of my siblings who has a severely mentally disabled child. A good friend of mine on this site lost a parent only this week.

@caljust said
My: so what? response is aimed at whatever answer you receive to your question. It does by no means imply that it is unimportant whether people reply truthfully or evasively or not.

If I asked you directly: do you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (remember that?) and you said "yes!" , what do I then do with that knowledge? Should I ridicule you? Or is it merely one more piece of information about you that I can put in my data bank.

It’s ok that you don’t percieve the unprincipled posting in this forum the same way I do.

@caljust said


Seriously though, I was saddened by the way his family shunned our friends because they chose not to join the club.
But bottom line is that we accepted their (the JWs) choice of faith, including the whole caboodle of problems like their curious views on blood transfusions and eschatology. Of course we disagreed - as I disagree with Galv - on key issues (if I didn't I wo ...[text shortened]... ht to their particular (if curious) point of view.

Isn't that what we ALL expect from each other?

If you choose to accept the ostracisation, the bullying and psychological harm done by the JW practice of “shunning” then so be it. I do not. I saw how Galvaeston75 and Robbie Carrobie traeated poor @beauroberts in this very forum several years ago. He is a man the JWs separated from his wife through encouraging her to shun him and who was ostracised by his local JW church because he took blood during an operation for cancer. You much feel free to view these actions in a glib sort of way as being their “curious views” and “eschatology”.

Perhaps your “acceptance of their right to their particular point of view” will help you deal with the occasional child sacrifice of their children to appease their god when blood is required to save the child’s life.

Perhaps you would find the dozens of pages of defending the covering up of child sex abuse to be “curious beliefs”.

No it isn’t what we expect from each other. I find you to be a flimsy character who is devoid of of the reality of the things you speak about. I remember us clashing in this way last time you were here pushing your film-flam and excuses for religious abhorrence.

Not interested mate. Peddle your pseudo religiosity elsewhere.

@galveston75 said
So you do not know what those scriptures are speaking of?

Of course I know. I also know it has nothing to do with going door to door.

@galveston75 said
Thanks for your input. I won't bite. Yes I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I know this because this exact issue and questioning and harassment has come up many, many times and I'm tired of his games.
I wish the forum was watched more by the moderator and would help out with these type situations. I don't want anyone banned but just want all to be respectful to e ...[text shortened]... can see to do it..... But then again some get really out of hand hiding behind a monitor screen...

Thanks for your input. I won't bite. Yes I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I know this because this exact issue and questioning and harassment has come up many, many times and I'm tired of his (divegeester’s) games.

I wish the forum was watched more by the moderator and would help out with these type situations. I don't want anyone banned but just want all to be respectful to everyone even if they think their answers are stupid or just not answering for a personal reason or just because they don't want to.

What games? Just answer the question, how hard can it be?
If you don’t like my posts, alert them!

@galveston75 said
You are welcome. I have seen many so called Witnesses come and go. Most do no harm and being a Witnesses was just not for them. But every now and then someone comes in that can cause damage in many ways such as what they may say to someone like in your experience you spoke of and even in rare instances have had to be escorted out of the Hall or even had to be removed by p ...[text shortened]... g money that they will never payback and then move on to the next congregation to do the same scam..

Are really trying to make out that there are people travelling the country victimising JWs?

@sonship said
@FMF
No I didn't. You're full of a lot of twisted crap.
A SICKO !
I think I know what you're up to. I think you are trying to provoke me to lose my temper to build up a paper trail to recommend I be banned from the Forum.
I think every time you get under my skin and I react strongly, you collect those samples.
That's what I think you're up to. I notice how you like to ta ...[text shortened]... out other posters who have left the Forum. You like to keep kicking them, comparing others TO them.

Have you been taking Suzianne’s meds again?!

@divegeester said
I’m sorry to hear of your family losses, I recognise that you post freely about them and you’ve explained on several occasions how these family dynamics impact your posting protocol here at rhp.

I’ve lost a parent a while ago, a brother-in law in recent months and worry constantly about one of my siblings who has a severely mentally disabled child. A good friend of mine on this site lost a parent only this week.

I truly thank you for this kind message. I really mean that. Mom of course was the hard one on me and the 4 years of Alzheimer's before she died was unbearable. That is what got to dad and it's what led to my sister disappearing. I was so upset with her for doing that and taking my nephews away from all of us and still have my moments of not wanting to ever see her again, but.....moms issues were hard on us all and I guess she snapped or something. Maybe someday she will come back to us. But I did find where she is so at least I know that she and her family are OK.
Anyway thanks again and I'm really trying to not let that direct my answers in haste or to just give up here and leave. I really do love talking about Jehovah, his son Jesus and his word the Bible. I believe very much in the future the bible promises and that one day I will see my mother again with her resurrection.
That's all I want to do here is speak about the good things Jehovah has promised all of us in the future once Satan is gone and when all the sickness and death are gone from all humans. And he really doesn't ask that much of us either for us to see that time in the future....
And you lean on God as much as you can with your trials. He will be there for you. Hang on!!!!!

@divegeester said
Are really trying to make out that there are people travelling the country victimising JWs?

Yes I am. It's nothing organized or anything like that but it happens. We get a reminder almost yearly to watch out for ones doing that.
The elders will now call the so called congregation they say they were attending and where they say they are from, and the elders there will of course either say yes it's OK or we don't know them. If it doesn't add up with what the ones who say they are Witnesses then we know what their up too and know they are not Witnesses.
If it were just ones who are not Witnesses and are just in need, of course the congregation will help in anyway. But when it is discovered that they have suspicious motives, they are asked to leave or if need be the police are called.

@galveston75 said
I truly thank you for this kind message. I really mean that. Mom of course was the hard one on me and the 4 years of Alzheimer's before she died was unbearable. That is what got to dad and it's what led to my sister disappearing. I was so upset with her for doing that and taking my nephews away from all of us and still have my moments of not wanting to ever see her again, ...[text shortened]... ..
And you lean on God as much as you can with your trials. He will be there for you. Hang on!!!!!

I really can empathise; my father-in-law died late last year which was what triggered his son (my bro in law) dying. Another bro-in-law has just been diagnosed with emphysema but in his 50s, and his wife is losing her hearing which will impact her job. My wife is a diabetic and has a serious macula oedema and I’m worried about my friend here who has lost their mother.

Life/God seems to throw these devastating trials at us irrespective of which church we attend, which is an interesting perspective as God saves irrespective of which church we attend.

@divegeester said
I really can empathise; my father-in-law died late last year which was what triggered his son (my bro in law) dying. Another bro-in-law has just been diagnosed with emphysema but in his 50s, and his wife is losing her hearing which will impact her job. My wife is a diabetic and has a serious macula oedema and I’m worried about my friend here who has lost their mother.
...[text shortened]... we attend, which is an interesting perspective as God saves irrespective of which church we attend.

Again I'm so sorry. When it rains it pours as they say.