09 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am not talking about what someone called Paul wrote. You know what the text says as well as I do. I am saying it is an unimpressive and disappointing spiritual mindset that equates doing voluntary work with sacrifice. Your religionist literature merely explains your mindset. It does not justify your mindset to me.
we did not write the Bible, does Paul make the correlation between sacrifice and evangelism or does he not.?
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf what relevance is this to me? I am not making any claims about what Paul said or didn't say. As I said above: your religionist literature simply explains your mindset. It does not justify your mindset to me.
does Paul make the correlation or does he not?
09 Dec 11
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Originally posted by FMFregardless of whether you think it appropriate, disappointing, framed, religionist, a
I am not talking about what someone called Paul wrote. You know what the text says as well as I do. I am saying it is an unimpressive and disappointing spiritual mindset that equates doing voluntary work with sacrifice. Your religionist literature merely explains your mindset. It does not justify your mindset to me.
poor reflection or anything else does Paul make the correlation between sacrifice and
evangelism or does he not, your aversion to answering FMF is now bordering on
paranoia.
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFif it is nothing to you then why dont you simply answer it?
Of what relevance is this to me? I am not making any claims about what Paul said or didn't say. As I said above: your religionist literature simply explains your mindset. It does not justify your mindset to me.
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, whether you like it or not, the fact that I find it disappointing, is the point I am making, robbie. What Paul wrote has no meaning for me. I will judge you on what claims you make about your own motivations for your actions. Your religionist literature makes a correlation between sacrifice and voluntary work: poor show I say. What an alienating perspective on spirituality that is, I say.
regardless of whether you think it appropriate, disappointing, framed, religionist, a
poor reflection or anything else does Paul make the correlation between sacrifice and
evangelism or does he not, your evasion to answering FMF is now bordering on
paranoia.
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Originally posted by FMFYour religionist literature makes a correlation between sacrifice and voluntary work
Well, whether you like it or not, the fact that I find it disappointing, is the point I am making, robbie. What Paul wrote has no meaning for me. I will judge you on what claims you make about your own motivations for your actions. Your religionist literature makes a correlation between sacrifice and voluntary work: poor show I say. What an alienating perspective on spirituality that is, I say.
my religionist literature, ummm, i didn't write the Bible FMF, but i take this as an
admission, that yes indeed a Christians evangelising is in a sense the equivalent of a
sacrifice, not the question is, in what sense?
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe fact that you did not write the Bible does not rate as an excuse for your conscious and self-regarding cheapening of voluntary work in my book. Paul is not here to argue your corner for you. If all you've got, when it comes right down to it, is that you read it in a book, then that is simply going to mean pretty much nothing to people who are nonplussed by your book.
my religionist literature, ummm, i didn't write the Bible FMF,
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you came to the door of an NGO that I was running and said you want to do voluntary work because you want to make the "equivalent of a blood sacrifice", I would turn you away. There are plenty of spiritual people out there who do not perceive common decency and moral actions in terms of some degree of personal "sacrifice". I wouldn't need the extraordinary convoluted philosophical baggage you would be bringing to my organisation.
my religionist literature, ummm, i didn't write the Bible FMF, but i take this as an
admission, that yes indeed a Christians evangelising is in a sense the equivalent of a
sacrifice, not the question is, in what sense?
09 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFIts not an excuse of anything FMF, it is a fact of Christianity that Paul equates
The fact that you did not write the Bible does not rate as an excuse for your conscious and self-regarding cheapening of voluntary work in my book. Paul is not here to argue your corner for you. If all you've got, when it comes right down to it, is that you read it in a book, then that is simply going to mean pretty much nothing to people who are nonplussed by your book.
evangelising with sacrifice, whether you find that cheapening or anything else is your
business. Now you will explain in what sense is evangelism linked to sacrifice.
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Originally posted by FMFin what sense is evangelism linked to sacrifice FMF, you dont seem to know or have
If you came to the door of an NGO that I was running and said you want to do voluntary work because you want to make the "equivalent of a blood sacrifice", I would turn you away. There are plenty of spiritual people out there who do not perceive common decency and moral actions in terms of some degree of personal "sacrifice". I wouldn't need the extraordinary convoluted philosophical baggage you would be bringing to my organisation.
yet, not explained in what sense it is linked, have you.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're arguing against your own argument. This is what you said on page 25 -
huh? my argument was not against exercise but whether imposing it upon the populace
was workable.
going to the gym benefits no one but yourself
I never claimed that my scenario was 'workable', those were your words not mine. Iwas shwoing you how your statement was wrong.