10 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidDon't deflect by regurgitating a bit of tangential dogma. If you believe there is no difference between a follower of Jesus and a follower of "Satan", out with it, just say it. If there is no difference between them why does only one of them deserve to be tortured for eternity?
No, the love of God and Jesus sacrifice salvation is given. It is God’s gift nothing to do with me.
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10 Oct 18
@fmf saidThere is no difference in the sense that both are invited to partake of God's mercy. The difference is that one of them is too proud to humble themselves and admit their guilt.
Don't deflect by regurgitating a bit of tangential dogma. If you believe there is no difference between a follower of Jesus and a follower of "Satan", out with it, just say it. If there is no difference between them why does only one of them deserve to be tortured for eternity?
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Concerning Luke 18:13:
It appears that the repentant tax collector has true conviction in his conscience from God. A circle was drawn around his conscience alone, and he only considers himself in comparison to God's righteous commands, what he ought to be.
The proud, so knowledgeable Pharisee compares himself to other men and thinks "I am not as bad as those guys. I am therefore pretty good."
@dj2becker saidHowever, there is the difference in the sense that I am talking about. I don't give two hoots about some other sense that you may have.
There is no difference in the sense that both are invited to partake of God's mercy. The difference is that one of them is too proud to humble themselves and admit their guilt.
10 Oct 18
@sonship saidWhen you claimed recently that non-believers beliefs were faeces and that when they are expressing those ideas they are like unclean dogs spreading germs, were you not suggesting that you were better compared to them?
The proud, so knowledgeable Pharisee compares himself to other men and thinks "I am not as bad as those guys. I am therefore pretty good."
10 Oct 18
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@fmf saidStick with what I do say, suggesting I have said something is simply putting words in my mouth. I am not going to defend myself on things I have not said that you think I mean.
Don't deflect by regurgitating a bit of tangential dogma. If you believe there is no difference between a follower of Jesus and a follower of "Satan", out with it, just say it. If there is no difference between them why does only one of them deserve to be tortured for eternity?
10 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidI am not going looking for it. It was around the times you were falsely accusing me of mocking you about a dead child in retaliation for embarassing yourself by defending the right of Jehovah's Witnesses to let their children die for want of medical treatment. Indeed, you've accused me of being a follower of "Satan" several times. So has sonship. So has SecondSon. So has galveston75. So has Eladar. So have several other Christians here over the years. Followers of Jesus all of you. Is a follower of Jesus really "no different" from a follower of "Satan"?
Quote me than, I most certainly did not say that here!
10 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidIf you don't believe a follower of "Satan" deserves to be tortured for eternity by your God, then just say so.
Stick with what I do say, suggesting I have said something is simply putting words in my mouth. I am not going to defend myself on things I have not said that you think I mean.
10 Oct 18
@fmf saidSo when talking to you I not only have to defend what I say, but things not said by me only implied by you? In addition if you think/claim I said and implied something in the past that to is fair game for you?
I am not going looking for it. It was around the times you were falsely accusing me of mocking you about a dead child in retaliation for embarassing yourself by defending the right of Jehovah's Witnesses to let their children die for want of medical treatment. Indeed, you've accused me of being a follower of "Satan" several times. So has sonship. So has SecondSon. So has galvesto ...[text shortened]... lowers of Jesus all of you. Is a follower of Jesus really "no different" from a follower of "Satan"?
If you show me I actually said something I will defend or apologize if needed, otherwise I will defend just what I say here. If you want to rehash several years of discussion, create another OP.
10 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidI am not asking you to apologize. I am asking you if there is no difference between followers of "Satan" and followers of Jesus?
So when talking to you I not only have to defend what I say, but things not said by me only implied by you? In addition if you think/claim I said and implied something in the past that to is fair game for you?
If you show me I actually said something I will defend or apologize if needed, otherwise I will defend just what I say here. If you want to rehash several years of discussion, create another OP.
10 Oct 18
@fmf saidFollowers as in someone who has dedicated themselves to Jesus, and those who have dedicated to Satan yes there is a difference. With respect to can Jesus and Satan both/either influence everyone? Yes everyone can be influenced by both of them or either of them regardless of who they have or have dedicated themselves to.
I am not asking you to apologize. I am asking you if there is no difference between followers of "Satan" and followers of Jesus?
Jesus is the King of Kings, Satan is the god of this world who has deceived the world.
10 Oct 18
@fmf saidI believe by God’s standards those practice evil and wickedness will be judged and condemned, unless they have turned their lives over to God in Jesus Christ serving Him. You forgot what you claimed you once believed, or did you believe something different? Those condemned will be for as long as God’s eternal Kingdom stands.
Well then. You believe that people who don't have the same belief in Jesus as you do deserve to be tortured for eternity, right?
This is pride and humility for you?