NZ gay marriage act

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
This may appease the pangs of conscience and at the same time allow homosexuals to stay in ones hotel as long as the do not engage in illicit sex. [...] For the non Christian this present no problem, but the Christian hotelier is guided by different principles and has different values.

As a hotel owner, why would you want to project your code onto gay guests who don't share your beliefs? Isn't it enough for you to avoid putting your own sex life in opposition to what you believe is "Gods revealed will"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
they would not be tempted nor permitted to engage in illicit sex under my roof. They could stay as long as they behaved.

What about married couples who engage in oral sex, or even anal sex?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
im confused you seem to be saying you dont believe in platonic friendships but the best marriages are based on platonic friendships? could you clarify?

no i have not said that i do not believe in platonic friendships but how are you going to guarantee that two platonic friends of the opposite sex will not engage in illicit sex in your hotel, ask them nicely not to?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What about married couples who engage in oral sex, or even anal sex?

this is much more trickier and i dont think its enforceable in all honesty. I think the dictates of the conscience will demand that you enforce what can be enforced and leave the rest to providence.

Originally posted by FMF
As a hotel owner, why would you want to project your code onto gay guests who don't share your beliefs? Isn't it enough for you to avoid putting your own sex life in opposition to what you believe is "Gods revealed will"?

My hotel dude, i make the rules, not my guests.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie

there is no Biblical imperative for the non Christian, yes, in the case of the Christian hotelier, i think that there is a biblical imperative, that being that you may be providing an environment for a sexual act to take place which is strictly condemned by God, now to what extent you act upon this within the dictates of your conscience is a perosnal matter, but here is the principle,

(Romans 2:21, 22) do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples.

Isn't this just telling you “Do not steal” and “Do not commit adultery”? How does it apply to guests in your hotel?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
My hotel dude, i make the rules, not my guests.

To be clear, it's not the Bible that says 'Its your hotel, robbie, you make the rules, not the guests', right? This is just you asserting your perceived rights as a businessman and a citizen, right? This is your personal point of view in action, not a Biblical imperative, correct?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
this is much more trickier and i dont think its enforceable in all honesty. I think the dictates of the conscience will demand that you enforce what can be enforced and leave the rest to providence.

What about people drinking too much alcohol, or those that eat too much at breakfast?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Sigh i have not termed them an abomination, i have merely presented the Biblical perspective.

oh, the bible think them an abomination

you just think the bible is 100% correct.

so what is your stance again? it seems me connecting the dots may have been hasty. according to you, ofc.

there is no Biblical imperative for the non Christian, yes, in the case of the Christian hotelier, i think that there is a biblical imperative, that being that you may be providing an environment for a sexual act to take place which is strictly condemned by God, now to what extent you act upon this within the dictates of your conscience is a perosnal matter, ing you “Do not steal” and “Do not commit adultery”? How does it apply to guests in your hotel?

no the principle is much more far reaching than that, we are teaching people to refrain from illicit sex, we cannot be encouraging it ourselves can we, this is the point. A hoteliers conscience may find that in providing a room for persons who are not married or homosexuals he may be providing an environment in which illicit sex takes place.

Take for example Mormons, its illegal for them to gamble but they have no qualms about allowing other people to gamble on their establishments and make provision for that, or Muslims for whom it may be illicit to drink alcohol yet they have no reservation about selling it to other people, clearly this is hypocritical and in direct opposition to this principle in the Book of Romans in that if we are advocating a certain standard to others, surely we should be living by that standard ourselves and not encouraging others to forsake those standards by proving an inducement to do so.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What about people drinking too much alcohol, or those that eat too much at breakfast?

drunk people will certainly be removed and as for those that like too much breakfast, again, its hard to enforce, what you gonna do, make them put it back? spit that out fatty, you've had five pancakes already?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
oh, the bible think them an abomination

you just think the bible is 100% correct.

so what is your stance again? it seems me connecting the dots may have been hasty. according to you, ofc.

Yes i think the Bible is awesome 🙂

My stance is that the Bible provided excellent advice 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Some of the reasons why it is different in Gods case.

Anger may be justified or unjustified. On Gods part, his anger is always justified, being based on principle dictated by his right to exclusive devotion and his constancy in upholding truth; it is governed by his love for righteousness and for those practising righteousness. Divine anger does n ...[text shortened]... egligence, or willful sin; and he acts with impartiality - De 10:17, 18; 1Sa 16:7; Ac 10:34, 35.

The old 'God is exempt rule'. Divine anger is not really anger. 😕

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The old 'God is exempt rule'. Divine anger is not really anger. 😕

Oh no its anger all right 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
drunk people will certainly be removed and as for those that like too much breakfast, again, its hard to enforce, what you gonna do, make them put it back? spit that out fatty, you've had five pancakes already?

If you can refuse to give an unmarried couple a joint room you can certainly refuse to give someone more food.