NZ gay marriage act

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no i have shown you what i have, if you think that there is no connection, then so be it, I cannot say for sure until i understand what the import of the text is. I dint think we have ever construed that gays are being punished although the principle that you reap what you sow, in other words, they contracted HIV because of their own actions. This I think will stand scrutiny for its rather self evident.

so the crux of your point is that people will 'reap what they sow'. what will the reap by catching h.i.v?

Originally posted by FMF
According to your understanding of the Bible, in what other ways are you permitted and/or instructed to discriminate against gays?

hard to say without specifics.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hard to say without specifics.

Why don't you provide a few specifics to illustrate your understanding of when you are permitted or required to discriminate, according to the Bible?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think i would give them separate rooms the same if i suspected that a couple were unmarried.

This raises a rather interesting principle FMF, here it is in scripture,

(Romans 2:21, 22) do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adu ...[text shortened]... ry,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples

what do you hope to achieve by giving them separate rooms?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so the crux of your point is that people will 'reap what they sow'. what will the reap by catching h.i.v?

no you have misunderstood, the crux of the mater is that persons, generally among homosexuals have contracted HIV because of their own actions and are now suffering the consequences of those actions that being they are now living with HIV.

Originally posted by FMF
Why don't you provide a few specifics to illustrate your understanding of when you are permitted or required to discriminate, according to the Bible?

no its too general

Originally posted by stellspalfie
what do you hope to achieve by giving them separate rooms?

they would not be tempted nor permitted to engage in illicit sex under my roof. They could stay as long as they behaved.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you condone hotel owners turning gay guests away?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its entirely up to them.

So, in this case - where it's entirely up to them, as you say - there is no Biblical imperative? They are free to discriminate against the gay guests and are neither specifically authorized nor required to do so by the Bible, right?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
they would not be tempted nor permitted to engage in illicit sex under my roof.

how does sleeping in separate rooms stop people from having sex under your roof?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how does sleeping in separate rooms stop people from having sex under your roof?

of course i cold not watch them all the time, but id make sure they slept apart.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
what do you hope to achieve by giving [gays] separate rooms?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
they would not be tempted nor permitted to engage in illicit sex under my roof.

Wouldn't this just be you imposing your personal point of view about those guests on them?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
of course i cold not watch them all the time, but id make sure they slept apart.

why do you want people to sleep apart?


oh and you missed this.

so the crux of your point is that people will 'reap what they sow'. what will the reap by catching h.i.v?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
of course i cold not watch them all the time, but id make sure they slept apart.

I suppose if they went quiet, and you'd listened at their doors for a while to see if there were sounds of people having sexual intercourse, you could resume your trawling derogatory comments under gay YouTube clips in your office downstairs. 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
of course i cold not watch them all the time, but id make sure they slept apart.

would male and female friends be able to share a twin room?

Originally posted by FMF
So, in this case - where it's entirely up to them, as you say - there is no Biblical imperative? They are free to discriminate against the gay guests and are neither specifically authorized nor required to do so by the Bible, right?

there is no Biblical imperative for the non Christian, yes, in the case of the Christian hotelier, i think that there is a biblical imperative, that being that you may be providing an environment for a sexual act to take place which is strictly condemned by God, now to what extent you act upon this within the dictates of your conscience is a perosnal matter, but here is the principle,

(Romans 2:21, 22) do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples.