07 Jul 15
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat exactly is .. take care of all sins..?
No we have not mentioned God yet....what I wanted to know is if grace and mercy would be
so complete every sin was accounted for, forever. We can talk about God now, unless you
believe that God's grace is not so complete it does not take care of all sins and something
else needs done after judgment day.
Why does God have to take care of anyones sins?
Originally posted by sonshipNice attempt at deflection. However it is YOU who said and believes these things, not ME:
We went through that twisting of yours and FMF's before.
You twist the meaning of what I said.
And I previously dealt with those twists.
And I now think you are dishonest. You started a thread about [b]Spectators in Hell pretending to want to know what some Christians think. Actually you started the thread just to tell some Christians what they ...[text shortened]... me Christians think. You intend to dictate to them how they think.
False advertizing.[/b]
- The lost shall be hung in chains of eternal suffering as a warning to those on other worlds
- The teaching of eternal suffering helps you forgive those who mistreat you.
- The loving God who created the universe, the earth and all human beings has also created and maintains in functioning order a place of the most unimaginable horror where billion of men and women who have not believed in him will be tortured by God for ETERNITY.
You are prolifically published in your beliefs which are grotesque in the extreme, so I think calling me "dishonest" in my intention with the "Spectators in Hell" thread is rather pathetic effort to cast the spotlight away from yourself.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by KellyJayI am now forced to conclude that you are either unwilling or unable to understand what "First Principles" are. No offence or insult intended.
No we have not mentioned God yet....what I wanted to know is if grace and mercy would be
so complete every sin was accounted for, forever. We can talk about God now, unless you
believe that God's grace is not so complete it does not take care of all sins and something
else needs done after judgment day.
You want to go immediately down the route - yes, there is grace, but God is limited with dispensing it because if somebody does not willingly receive it then God's hands are tied and even if he wants to he is prohibited and limited from forgiving somebody who does not want to be forgiven...... or some such reasoning.
My point is that THAT conclusion is a huge jump in logic that cannot be made before the various elements that I have listed, such as
- debt
- grace & mercy
- laws & consequences
- etc
are individually analised, since they are words we all understand.
There is no point in applying these concepts to spiritual matters BEFORE we have agree what they mean.
But you jump immediately into Christianese, and that is what I specifically said I do not want to do.
So I guess you have also decided, like sonship, that you would rather NOT participate in such a conversation, and I respect your decision.
Adieu.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by CalJustListen if you wish to just cut me off feel free, when we entered into this discussion I had very
I am now forced to conclude that you are either unwilling or unable to understand what "First Principles" are. No offence or insult intended.
You want to go immediately down the route - [i]yes, there is grace, but God is limited with dispensing it because if somebody does not willingly receive it then God's hands are tied and even if he wants to he is pro ...[text shortened]... you would rather NOT participate in such a conversation, and I respect your decision.
Adieu.
low hopes you'd follow through. I want to discuss the topics at hand, maybe not the same
way you do. I'm trying to get you to talk about God's grace and mercy after judgment day,
since after judgment day is when the God's wrath is going to be poured out as well.
If we cannot even talk about what I thought we agreed on, I doubt we will ever be able to
come to terms and understanding on what we may not agree on.
So if grace and mercy is to much, we can stop now save ourselves some time.
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you feel it is poor forum etiquette for one poster to simply "cut off" as you say, and ignore another poster(s) to avoid "following through" on the discussion, just because they don't like what they post?
Listen if you wish to just cut me off feel free, when we entered into this discussion I had very low hopes you'd follow through.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by Rajk999After judgment day....
Im pretty sure that you can phrases the question a bit clearer. Why dont you give it a shot.
God's grace to us will cover all sins?
God's mercy to us will be complete?
Will we see any judgment, condemnation mixed into either His grace or mercy then?
Basically, what is it you think it will be like and why?