Is Disfellowship Physically and Spiritually Necessary

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
beauroberts integrity is not in question.

Both roigam and galveston75 have suggested that he isn't telling the truth and do not believe him. So I think it's pretty clear that his integrity has been called into question. But I am willing to leave aside beauroberts' treatment at their hands on this thread, and focus instead on disfellowshipping.

Originally posted by FMF
If elders tried to turn a person's spouse against them or separate them from their children, would this - in your view - be an action warranting disfellowship?

As i have already stated, its a personal decision for a husband or a wife. An elder will simply make a person aware that a provision exists, he will not nor should not advise the person on what course of action to take, that decision is personal. Therefore according to my experience and the code of practice of Jehovahs witnesses the question seems rather peculiar for I have never heard of any elder trying to turn anyone's wife or husband away from each other, in fact, they spend a great deal of their time trying to keep families together the premise being that strong families make strong congregations.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
As i have already stated, its a personal decision for a husband or a wife. An elder will simply make a person aware that a provision exists, he will not nor should not advise the person on what course of action to take, that decision is personal. Therefore according to my experience and the code of practice of Jehovahs witnesses the question seems ...[text shortened]... ying to keep families together the premise being that strong families make strong congregations.

If elders were to threaten a spouse with disfellowship ~ or exert pressure of that kind ~ if he or she didn't leave her disfellowshiped partner and take his/her children away, would you condemn it and do you think elders behaving in such a way ought to be disfellowshipped according to your understanding of JW principles and procedures?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have never heard of any elder trying to turn anyone's wife or husband away from each other...

That's not true. You have heard about it on this thread.

Originally posted by FMF
Both roigam and galveston75 have suggested that he isn't telling the truth and do not believe him. So I think it's pretty clear that his integrity has been called into question. But I am willing to leave aside beauroberts' treatment at their hands on this thread, and focus instead on disfellowshipping.

I must admit that i have certain reservations myself. He appears to me to have been rather on the fringe of the Jehovahs witness organisation for no witness goes for elective surgery without first informing his local elders and the hospital liaison committee who will visit the hospital and make arrangements for any medical alternatives should the need arrive. In fact the hospital should ask you personally before they begin whether you have any conditions and ask you to sign a waiver absolving them of nay responsibility.

Originally posted by FMF
That's not true. You have heard about it on this thread.

In my experience i have never heard of it, so yes, it is true. Further to that i have not read this thread in its entirety making your assertion unfounded and false.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I must admit that i have certain reservations [about beauroberts' integrity] myself.

I am happy to leave this 'line of attack' on the part of you, roigam and galveston75 to one side. I am more interested in a wife or husband getting disfellowshipped after their spouse was disfellowshipped for not disfellowshipping them too.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
In my experience i have never heard of it, so yes, it is true. Further to that i have not read this thread in its entirety making your assertion unfounded and false.

So you have not actually read what beauroberts has said about what happened to him and his wife and what their elders did?

Originally posted by FMF
I am happy to leave this 'line of attack' on the part of you, roigam and galveston75 to one side. I am more interested in a wife or husband getting disfellowshipped after their spouse was disfellowshipped for not disfellowshipping them too.

If you want to know the Biblical perspective then fine, as for beauropberts claims i have no way of knowing what actually happened.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Further to that i have not read this thread in its entirety making your assertion unfounded and false.

How is it you are able to discuss the issue of the pressure that was brought to bear on his wife by elders if you haven't read about it on this thread?

Originally posted by FMF
So you have not actually read what beauroberts has said about what happened to him and his wife and what their elders did?

No i have not. i read that he went for surgery, he allegedly got disfellowshipped for taking blood (itself rather suspect) for what he would actually get disfellowshipped for was non repentance and that's about it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you want to know the Biblical perspective then fine...

This is why I asked this question: If the JW elders in a case such as the one beauroberts has described on this thread tried to turn a JW's wife against him and split up his family, what specific Biblical verses to justify this action do you suppose those elders cited?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i have not. i read that he went for surgery, he allegedly got disfellowshipped for taking blood (itself rather suspect) for what he would actually get disfellowshipped for was non repentance and that's about it.

So you are saying you haven't read anything on this thread about how his wife was subsequently treated by their elders?

Originally posted by FMF
How is it you are able to discuss the issue of the pressure that was brought to bear on his wife by elders if you haven't read about it on this thread?

You asked me what the Biblical perspective was, what the procedure was, i don't have to know anything about what beauroberts alleges to comment on that, I have already told you i am uninterested in commenting upon what i know next to nothing about, why you should have difficulty understanding that i cannot say.

Originally posted by FMF
So you are saying you haven't read anything on this thread about how his wife was subsequently treated by their elders?

Not only have i not read what he alleges, I am uninterested in reading it or commenting on it are answering questions about it. I hope i will not have to repeat this again.