13 Nov 18
@sonship saidSo to be clear, you will not answer my questions even though I answered yours?
@divegeester
Keep your shirt on. I'd give you a C, maybe a C+.
No A though.
Thanks for some answers.
13 Nov 18
Sonship, I faithfully answered every one of the many questions you put to me, I did so with absolute honesty, with “yes or “no” where you requested. Now will you some some Christian honestly and answer my two please:
1) I accept Jesus Christ as my saviour. But will my subsequent rejection of the trinity doctrine in any way risk me being precluded from salvation. Yes or no?
And
2) Is the book of Revelation intended to be interpreted as being entirely literal, yes or no?
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@divegeester
I said I gave you a C or C+ and no A. I meant it.
I did not consider your answer to the Isaiah 9:6 question to be that honest. I considered it a dodge or you need to take to trouble to discover the answer.
sonship:
In Isaiah 9:6 when the Son ... given is called the Eternal Father, besides the Father of the Trinity how many other Fathers are there in the Bible who are called "Eternal Father" ?
Divegeester:
I have no idea.
You have no idea that in the Bible there could not possibly be more than one Father who is the Eternal Father?
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13 Nov 18
@sonship saidWe collectively give that response a D-.
@divegeester
I said I gave you a C or C+ and no A. I meant it.
I did not consider your answer to the Isaiah 9:6 question to be that honest. I considered it a dodge or you need to take to trouble to discover the answer.
sonship:
[quote] In Isaiah 9:6 when the Son ... given is called the Eternal Father, besides the Father of t ...[text shortened]... o idea that in the Bible there could not possibly be more than one Father who is the Eternal Father?
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@divegeester saidDo you believe every word in the Bible is true? I suspect your answer is no. Correct me if I'm wrong. So the real question for you is how do you know which parts of the Bible are true and which parts aren't?
Sonship, I faithfully answered every one of the many questions you put to me, I did so with absolute honesty, with “yes or “no” where you requested. Now will you some some Christian honestly and answer my two please:
1) I accept Jesus Christ as my saviour. But will my subsequent rejection of the trinity doctrine in any way risk me being precluded from salvation. ...[text shortened]... 2) Is the book of Revelation intended to be interpreted as being entirely literal, [b]yes or no?
@sonship saidI don’t believe in the trinity so your question is pointless. There is one father, you know I believe this. “I have no idea” what the father in the trinity actually is.
@divegeester
I considered it a dodge or you need to take to trouble to discover the answer.
Anyway. Despite my trying to play quid pro quo with you, you have once again proved yourself to me to be a gutless, unprincipled flake and I am honestly disappointed in you.
My questions remain, as ever, unanswered and I have now lost interest in you as a poster and even as a fellow Christian. I grow tired of this forum and the small Christians in it. None of you inspire me in the faith.
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So to be clear, you will ...
No.
This is clear. There are other posters here for me to discuss things with besides you.
It is CLEAR that I don't OWE you perpetual responses to your bagging taunts, especially on replies which you indicate you will refuse to acknowledge.
The "You owe me forever" or "You still owe me" or "You haven't yet delivered something" tactic cannot obscure either the assurance of salvation or the triune nature of God or the ultimate punishment revealed in the Bible.
The repetitive skeptic cannot make these things go away from the teaching of the Bible.
Taunt on.
@sonship saidThat’s not a quote from my last post!
@divegeester
So to be clear, you will ...
No.
This is clear. There are other posters here for me to discuss things with besides you.
It is CLEAR that I don't OWE you perpetual responses to your bagging taunts, especially on replies which you indicate you will refuse to acknowledge.
The "You owe me forever" or "You still owe me" or "You have ...[text shortened]... The repetitive skeptic cannot make these things go away from the teaching of the Bible.
Taunt on.
My questions remain unanswered, and you Sir are a true coward.
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"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Which one of the "We" there is not God - the Father or the Son ?
Answer given by Divegeester:
Neither.
Meaning NEITHER is not God.
Meaning that the "We" there in John 14:23 refers to God.
And that means that "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God is ONE ... " (Deut. 6:4) refers to the divine "We" of John 14:23. And the divine "We" of the Father and the Son does not negate Deut. 6:4.
"Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God, Jehovah is one."
Thus the ancient brothers in Christ wisely came up with the phrase "Trinity".
They were pressured to do so by antichrist teachers' attacks upon the Person of Christ.
ps. So I like HTML. So what?
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My questions remain unanswered, and you Sir are true coward.
Others can judge.
Thanks for indicating that God is "We" in John 14:23 confirming the truth of Deut. 6:4 that our God, Jehovah is ONE. The "We" of the Father and the Son proves the Trinity.
We only need to add that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3,4).
Praise God for His clear word !
13 Nov 18
@sonship saidJust answer my questions and prove me wrong. You’re dishonesty and cowardice is a disgrace to the faith.
@divegeester
My questions remain unanswered, and you Sir are true coward.
Others can judge.
Thanks for indicating that God is "We" in John 14:23 confirming the truth of Deut. 6:4 that our God, Jehovah is ONE. The "We" of the Father and the Son proves the Trinity.
We only need to add that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3,4).
Praise God for His clear word !
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13 Nov 18
Just answer my questions and prove me wrong.
I just proved Divegeester RIGHT. God who is ONE is the Divine "We" of the Father and the Son in John 14:23.
I just proved the guy RIGHT that God is the Father and the Son = Jehovah Who is ONE.
And he STILL is complaining.
Is this guy in denial or what?
13 Nov 18
@sonship saidJust answer the questions coward.Just answer my questions and prove me wrong.
I just proved Divegeester RIGHT. God who is ONE is the Divine "We" of the Father and the Son in John 14:23.
I just proved the guy RIGHT that God is the Father and the Son = Jehovah Who is ONE.
And he STILL is complaining.
Is this guy in denial or what?
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13 Nov 18
This latest exchange between sonship and myself highlights everything I deride about many of the Christians in this forum. The gutless deception, the dodging, the avoiding of legitimate questions. It’s shameful forum behaviour.
Sonship, for someone who comes here to proselytise you do nothing more than bring the faith into disrepute.