@sonhouse saidI've worked with building next-generation CPUs for over 20 years, hardware and software drive the show, there isn't life inside these things. No computer knows anything, all of the knowledge they seem to have is not knowledge, it's nothing but stored data that gets manipulated by us, for us. When a computer beats us in chess, it doesn't know it won the game, it only did the calculations and has no awareness of what was going on any more than some one asks it what is 1+1.
@KellyJay
You are being naive. It is going to happen sooner or later.
What I wonder is if truly intelligent sentient robots will consider humans as pets.
13 Jul 23
@KellyJay
It is going to be different when those comps get trillions of interconnections like human brains but of course that will not be for years but I have no doubt, given the incredibly fast pace of developments in computer science and technology, some threshold will be reached where they will be self aware.
@sonhouse saidAll a computer does is calculate, the speed and volume it can do it in does not add anything to it like self-awareness no matter what my favorite science fiction movies and shows say.
@KellyJay
It is going to be different when those comps get trillions of interconnections like human brains but of course that will not be for years but I have no doubt, given the incredibly fast pace of developments in computer science and technology, some threshold will be reached where they will be self aware.
14 Jul 23
@sonhouse saidThe numbers won't change the processes into anything other than what it does; it calculates and has to do it predictable manner, or it is useless. Regardless of the number of connections, it is still bottom-line hardware and software.
@KellyJay
You are thinking old classical comps. I said TRILLIONS of connections and that might be neurocells, to function pretty much like our brains but of course that right now is sci fi but 30 years from now, it might be different.
15 Jul 23
@sonhouse saidYou can make that claim, but nothing about anything we know will support it. I've been begging for something from science or logic that can even talk to getting all the interconnections in life to occur, not even a hypothetical has been offered. Nothing about getting all of the complex systems built, and inserting all of the instructional information in life, and I have not been given anything outside of the distaste that some people have for the metaphysical.
@KellyJay
Well for humans, we didn't start understanding the world around us till we got a lot more interconnections than Bonobo's and such. Those connections are WHY we are top dog on Earth right now, and of course we are screwing it up but you get the point, maybe.
I'm aware of the work of getting a computer to do the math properly for complex calculations, and how much effort is in choosing the material, creating a layout of the design, putting the parts together, and testing them, putting the devices under stress so that CPU can be sold and guaranteed to function properly for years without degrading under normal usage, by testing them in such ways that simulate years of normal usage.
This is why the claims about life which is much more functionally complex in each individual lifeform on top of the way life multiplies started somewhere under a rock, or in a pond, ocean, or sky without anything but mindlessness guiding the process asinine to me.
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17 Jul 23
@kellyjay saidDid you read the article in pubmed link which I’ve posted to you several times?
You can make that claim, but nothing about anything we know will support it. I've been begging for something from science or logic that can even talk to getting all the interconnections in life to occur, not even a hypothetical has been offered.
17 Jul 23
@divegeester saidYou must have posted it some time ago. Can you post it again?
Did you read the article in pubmed link which I’ve posted to you several times?
