JWs and 1000 cases of child sex abuse

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Third time asking, where is the child protection policy of your church? If I am going to leave at least I should examine their policies. Maybe I'll join your church. Where is its child protection policy so that I know my children are safe?

Don't you feel concerned about the organisation you are defending? Hundreds of Children being sexually abused, leaders failing to report alleged offenders. It's horrendous Robbie.

Originally posted by divegeester
As the Jehovah's Witness police is so completely useless I can see why you would want a replacement.

Yes indeed, now what happened to that child protection policy you were showing me? Did a golden eagle swoop down and pluck it deftly from your hand. Where is it Jeester? Now I don't want to accuse you of having something to hide, but if you are going to examine the policies of other religious bodies surely we should have a look at yours, unless of course you really do have something to hide. Have you? No? well show us the policy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes indeed, now what happened to that child protection policy you were showing me? Did a golden eagle swoop down and pluck it deftly from your hand. Where is it Jeester? Now I don't want to accuse you of having something to hide, but if you are going to examine the policies of other religious bodies surely we should have a look at yours, unless of course you really do have something to hide. Have you? No? well show us the policy.

Have you read either the Guardian article in the OP or the child sex abuse report yet?

Originally posted by divegeester
Have you read either the Guardian article in the OP or the child sex abuse report yet?

I want to read your child abuse policy divesjeester, where is it? surely if you congregate with other Christians as you have stated on this very forum you must have one? So where is it? When you find it let me know, I'll be around.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I want to read your child abuse policy divesjeester, where is it?

My group of believers doesn't need one. No children are sexually abused by our leaders and no allegations of sexual abuse have been made ever, in the history of our church.

Leave the Jehovah's Witness organisation Robbie, it is corrupt and in gross error. This is honest heartfelt advice. It is not your fault what has happened.

For anyone interested, you can watch an ABC News report on a JW child sex abuse case from the US. It's about 10 minutes, but well worth watching in its entirety.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/jehovahs-witness-takes-church-sex-abuse-allegations-29605945

Following are a couple of excerpts from the transcript of the report (click on the Video Transcript tab). The transcript is a bit of a mess since it was automated, but I tried to make it clearer based on what I remembered from the video:

Reporter: When Candace and her attorney began conducting depositions with local church leaders, known as elders, they learned something astonishing.

Attorney: Do you recall becoming aware at any time of sexual abuse of a child by Jonathan Kendrick?

Elder: Yes.

Reporter: Even before Candace was abused, the elders knew that Jonathan Kendrick, who then held a leadership position in the congregation, had molested his own stepdaughter. His first known victim. He confessed to touching her one evening when he came home. Yet the elders did not call the police and did not warn the rest of the congregation.

Reporter: A confidentiality policy set by the church leaders back in New York. In a series of letters to elders across the country on the issue of child abuse, the watchtower made its policy clear. Though they acknowledged that some states have child abuse reporting laws, they said allegations should otherwise be kept secret to all but church leaders. Because worldly people are quick to resort to lawsuits if they feel their rights have been violated.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No what is disgusting beyond the pale is your inability to state why anyone should be held liable if someone else fails to report a matter after being instructed to do so that is why you have disgustingly refused to answer the question that has been put to you twice, because in answering it your silly allegations of a 'cover up', will be seen to be n ...[text shortened]... you have nothing, your logic is flawed and your tabloid arguments beggarly and revolting. Spew!

I'll repeat again, 1006 alleged abusers, 1800+ victims, 579 confessions and no one is reported to the police. This is a grotesque moral failing, there is no other way to describe it, and here you are aiming terms such as 'revolting' and 'disgusting' at me. Unbelievable, you've quite clearly lost your moral compass.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'll repeat again, 1006 alleged abusers, 1800+ victims, 579 confessions and no one is reported to the police. This is a grotesque moral failing, there is no other way to describe it, and here you are aiming terms such as 'revolting' and 'disgusting' at me. Unbelievable, you've quite clearly lost your moral compass.

Still cannot bring yourself to answer the question that I posed to you no less than three times, when you can let me know and I'll be around. Lost my moral compass? thats rich. Here it is again, let me know when you have the balls to answer it,

If i have knowledge of a crime and i advise those involved to go to the police and they fail to do so am I in some way guilty of a crime

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
For anyone interested, you can watch an ABC News report on a JW child sex abuse case from the US. It's about 10 minutes, but well worth watching in its entirety.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/jehovahs-witness-takes-church-sex-abuse-allegations-29605945

Following are a couple of excerpts from the transcript of the report (click on the Video ...[text shortened]... y people are quick to resort to lawsuits if they feel their rights have been violated. [/quote]

Read the court transcripts if you are really interested in the case, her own testimony was contradicted by her own biological parents. Watching a ten minute news item will give you no insight into what actually transpired, but if your knowledge about complex matters rests from what you can glean from a ten minute news item should you really be delving into meaty stuff like court transcripts, i doubt it.

Originally posted by divegeester
My group of believers doesn't need one. No children are sexually abused by our leaders and no allegations of sexual abuse have been made ever, in the history of our church.

Leave the Jehovah's Witness organisation Robbie, it is corrupt and in gross error. This is honest heartfelt advice. It is not your fault what has happened.

Robbie this is genuine from dive.
You seem like a decent chap who has taken a wrong turn in life.
You are flopping around like a landed fish trying to defend these monsters.
I pray that the scales fall from your eyes. (Acts 9:18)

Originally posted by Captain Strange
Robbie this is genuine from dive.
You seem like a decent chap who as taken a wrong turn in life.
You are flopping around like a landed fish trying to defend these monsters.
I pray that the scales fall from your eyes. (Acts 9:18)

Divesjeester cannot even produce a child protection policy for goodness sake, you were busted when it was demonstrated that your remarks concerning reporting of allegations of child abuse was demonstrably false. Please don't offer me any more advice, seriously, you have nothing to offer me in a spiritual context.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Read the court transcripts if you are really interested in the case, her own testimony was contradicted by her own biological parents. Watching a ten minute news item will give you no insight into what actually transpired, but if your knowledge about complex matters rests from what you can glean from a ten minute news item should you really be delving into meaty stuff like court transcripts, i doubt it.

By all means, post a link to the court transcripts and excerpts that prove your assertion.

Regardless, the excerpt I posted of the deposition of the elder earlier on this page was quite telling as is the following excerpt from a Huffington Post article:

Conti also claimed in her suit that the religion's national leaders formed a policy in 1989 that instructed the religion's elders to keep child sex abuse accusations secret. Congregation elders followed that policy when Kendrick was convicted in 1994 of misdemeanor child molestation in Alameda County, according to Simons.

Kendrick was never criminally charged in the case involving Conti, but besides the 1994 conviction, he was later convicted in 2004 of lewd or lascivious acts with a child, records show.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/calif-jury-awards-28m-in-_n_1602997.html

If you want to try to continue to defend Kendrick and the elders involved, I suppose that's your prerogative - though it does serve as grist for the mill for those who view JW as a cult whose adherents do not have a mind of their own.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Divesjeeser cannot even produce a child protection policy for goodness sake, you were busted when it was demonstrated that your remarks concerning reporting of allegations of child abuse was demonstrably false. Please don't offer me any more advice, seriously, you have nothing to offer me in a spiritual context.

I will pray for your soul Robbie.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
By all means, post a link to the court transcripts and excerpts that prove your assertion.

Regardless, the excerpt I posted of the deposition of the elder earlier on this page was quite telling as is the following excerpt from a Huffington Post article:
[quote]Conti also claimed in her suit that the religion's national leaders formed a policy in 1989 ...[text shortened]... st for the mill for those who view JW as a cult whose adherents do not have a mind of their own.

I am not trying to defend anyone despite your insidious and vile insinuation. If you want the court transcripts find them yourself. The article that you cite from is misleading, there was no mandatory reporting and infact if you read the court transcripts you will realize that far from keeping anything secret the authorities in the form of the police and the social services knew and were informed about McKendrick, but seeing that you have not read the said transcripts you can only go on what others have printed who have also obviously not read the transcripts either. Get back to me when you do because its rather tedious having to battle against your ignorance,

Originally posted by Captain Strange
I will pray for your soul Robbie.

You will pray for my soul? dude don't you know that Jehovahs witnesses don't believe in the immortality of the soul?