Originally posted by divegeesterEmotionally enslaved???? you read too much drivel! Do i sound like an emotional slave? NO! i sound awesome, rational, reasonable, eloquent, erudite, logical and unperturbed by your vile slander. Yes indeed I am emanating positive vibes in all directions, radiating warmth like the sun! All i need to do is stay away from haters like you! Gee how hard can it be! No negativity today Jeester, I am too positive for your jive talk, come back when i am feeling down. Adios!
I suppose it is of no surprise that you wish to rationalise the circumstances in order to defend the organisation you are emotionally enslaved to, however as the article explains:
[i]"A damming submission to the royal commission on child sexual abuse has recommended 77 adverse findings against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia. It was open to the ...[text shortened]... found in his submission..."
What do you think of the commission into child abuse's findings?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat do you think of the royal commission into child abuse findings?
Emotionally enslaved???? you read too much drivel! Do i sound like an emotional slave? NO! i sound awesome, rational, reasonable, eloquent, erudite, logical and unperturbed by your vile slander. Yes indeed I am emanating positive vibes in all directions, radiating warmth like the sun! All i need to do is stay away from haters like you! Gee how har ...[text shortened]... y today Jeester, I am too positive for your jive talk, come back when i am feeling down. Adios!
Originally posted by divegeesterI have not read any reports and will not comment until i do. You see I have this thing called a mind, a true wonder of the universe. If you exercise it it grows synapses and all kinds of wonderful things can happen. You should try it Jeester. I recommend it for you! See i give you a thumbs up to get you started on the road to recovery!
What do you think of the royal commission into child abuse findings?
21 Dec 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCareful Robbie.
I have not read any reports and will not comment until i do. You see I have this thing called a mind, a true wonder of the universe. If you exercise it it grows synapses and all kinds of wonderful things can happen. You should try it Jeester. I recommend it for you! See i give you a thumbs up to get you started on the road to recovery!
The brethren aren't to keen on this exercise the mind stuff.
Much better to fall into line and be a sheep, never criticise or question.
Deflect accusations,
Your doing great by the way.
You will not be disfellowshipped.
22 Dec 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou haven't answered this:
I have made my position clear. I have given reasons, cited references, substantiated my claims with facts, you may make reference to those.
How many instances of (or accusations of) child abuse are kept secret by your organisation each year? Does your organization publish any figures regarding this?
Originally posted by Captain StrangeOn the contrary the Bible actually encourages us to use our full powers of discernment. Christians like me have been subject to many vile and often unfounded accusations through the centuries, its nothing new and is to be expected from agents of darkness like divesgeester. All that one needs to do is make an appeal to reason and evidence and more often than not baseless allegations simply melt away in their presence. Yes i am doing awesome, thankyou, its no mean feat with ol FMF chomping at the bit with his trusty flunkie by his side. Throw in Proper Knob who is obsessed with busting me like Wile E Cayote is obsessed with the road runner and its a precarious business.
Careful Robbie.
The brethren aren't to keen on this exercise the mind stuff.
Much better to fall into line and be a sheep, never criticise or question.
Deflect accusations,
Your doing great by the way.
You will not be disfellowshipped.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiePage 4 the ad hominem insults begin.
On the contrary the Bible actually encourages us to use our full powers of discernment. Christians like me have been subject to many vile and often unfounded accusations through the centuries, its nothing new and is to be expected from agents of darkness like divesgeester. All that one needs to do is make an appeal to reason and evidence and more o ...[text shortened]... th busting me like Wile E Cayote is obsessed with the road runner and its a precarious business.
Page 6 insults continue and the victim card is played.
However, no sign of addressing the Guardian report summary of the royal commission into child abuse by Jehovah's Witness leaders. No sign of acknowledgement of wrongdoing by JW leadership. No sign of accepting that JW doctrines and teaching regarding the escalation of child abuse allegations is wrong.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, a significant number. If you had actually bothered to read the report or the article linked in the OP you would have noted that there have been over 1000 allegations of sexual abuse in Australia alone which the JW leadership failed to report to the authorities, dating back to the 1950's.
a significant number? how many are we talking Proper Knob for as far as i can tell by reading the wikipedia article there have been eleven cases in the USA in the last one hundred years that have come to court and since 2000 less than ten elsewhere. I think that even a zoob like you would consider that its a relatively small number considering that ...[text shortened]... tabloid style bilge water that divesh8ter tries to utilize because he hates Jehovahs Witnesses.
22 Dec 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobie'Agents of darkness' are surely people who sexually abuse children and people who cover the sexual abuse up? Not people who disagree with you on an internet chess forum. I know you have a hard time processing dissent, particularly when it come in the form of criticism of your religious corporation, but let's try and keep some perspective here please.
On the contrary the Bible actually encourages us to use our full powers of discernment. Christians like me have been subject to many vile and often unfounded accusations through the centuries, its nothing new and is to be expected from agents of darkness like divesgeester. All that one needs to do is make an appeal to reason and evidence and more o ...[text shortened]... th busting me like Wile E Cayote is obsessed with the road runner and its a precarious business.
Originally posted by Proper KnobAllegations smallegation, I am interested in cases that have gone to court and convictions or exonerations rendered, not on some thought up number. The wikipedia article that I cited one is put out to find ten!
Yes, a significant number. If you had actually bothered to read the report or the article linked in the OP you would have noted that there have been over 1000 allegations of sexual abuse in Australia alone which the JW leadership failed to report to the authorities, dating back to the 1950's.
Failing to report is not the same as covering up though is it, another glaringly inconvenient truth for you an infact if the brothers in Australia simply directed those involved to report the matter to the authorities it being a criminal matter they can hardly be held liable. If for example I tell a man that has stolen something to return it to the proper owner and he fails to do so why am I being held accountable for the theft. Perhaps you can answer that? Will I be accused of covering up the theft? Hardly, and that is how unreasonable the accusation of cover up is, devoid of reason and bereft of substance. Boohoo for you.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobAu contrare, I have outlined the reasons why there may have been a failure to report child abuse you may make reference to those. Duffgeester is an agent of darkness. No question about it.
'Agents of darkness' are surely people who sexually abuse children and people who cover the sexual abuse up? Not people who disagree with you on an internet chess forum. I know you have a hard time processing dissent, particularly when it come in the form of criticism of your religious corporation, but let's try and keep some perspective here please.
22 Dec 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAgain, if you had read the article or the report you would note that there are more than allegations at play here.
Allegations smallegation, I am interested in cases that have gone to court and convictions or exonerations rendered, not on some thought up number. The wikipedia article that I cited one is put out to find ten!
Failing to report is not the same as covering up though is it, another glaringly inconvenient truth for you an infact if the brothers i ...[text shortened]... onable the accusation of cover up is, devoid of reason and bereft of substance. Boohoo for you.
Since 1950, Jehovah’s Witnesses headquarters in Australia has fielded allegations of child sexual abuse against 1,006 members involving at least 1,800 victims, according to the report. Although 579 members confessed to abusing children, none were reported to police or other authorities.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-shield-child-sexual-abusers-from-police-report-says/