Jehovah Witnesses and Sexual Abuse of Children

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You have pole vaulted the line - you are not the kind of person i wish to have an adult discussion with - goodbye.

What on earth are you on about? Read the question again. You've probably misread it. It is not controversial at all.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Perhaps it fear of betrayal that has led them to hide their guilt? after all in the UK reporting is mandatory, you would not expect anyone to voluntarily subject themselves to instant prosecution.

Can they be rehabilitated?

Perhaps it fear of betrayal that has led them to hide their guilt? after all in the UK reporting is mandatory, you would not expect anyone to voluntarily subject themselves to instant prosecution.

its complicated but id say most do not feel guilt.

Can they be rehabilitated?

tough question, and id guess it depends on how you define rehabilitated. i dont think you can stop them from being sexually attracted to children, but with some (minority) you can stop them from offending again. there are a few exceptions but in general my opinion is that they cannot be rehabilitated.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]Perhaps it fear of betrayal that has led them to hide their guilt? after all in the UK reporting is mandatory, you would not expect anyone to voluntarily subject themselves to instant prosecution.

its complicated but id say most do not feel guilt.

Can they be rehabilitated?

tough question, and id guess it depends on how you defi ...[text shortened]... gain. there are a few exceptions but in general my opinion is that they cannot be rehabilitated.[/b]

Well if most do not feel guilt they can hardly be expected to make a confession.

Wow they cannot be rehabilitated? so are they under constant scrutiny even if they are in the community?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Well if most do not feel guilt they can hardly be expected to make a confession.

Wow they cannot be rehabilitated? so are they under constant scrutiny even if they are in the community?

The police [among others] regularly check up any convicted sex offenders.

Someone who's been known to download/make child porn will frequently have
their computer taken and checked by the police.

You get convicted of one of these crimes and you will be watched for life.

Originally posted by googlefudge
The police [among others] regularly check up any convicted sex offenders.

Someone who's been known to download/make child porn will frequently have
their computer taken and checked by the police.

You get convicted of one of these crimes and you will be watched for life.

there was one guy not so far from where i live who was known or suspected of being a paedophile, he had his door painted and the windows of his house smashed. Kids here still play in the streets, its almost impossible to watch these types of persons at all times.

Originally posted by googlefudge
The police [among others] regularly check up any convicted sex offenders.

Someone who's been known to download/make child porn will frequently have
their computer taken and checked by the police.

You get convicted of one of these crimes and you will be watched for life.

I don't know why it should be so very difficult to realize that where fallible man with all his powers of surveillance, might not catch something, Someone bigger would see.

All your public records, surveillance, human observation, court ordered inspections, social work notices, parole reportings, public notices, Internet info files, etc. are all human inventions which are fallible. They will not see everything.

God misses absolutely and exactly NOTHING .

Why is it so astounding that God could have an infallible record of everyone's doings - no mistakes, no omissions, no errors of any type ?

So we need a divine erasing of all our sins before an infallible and perfectly righteous God. It really all makes sense.

Originally posted by sonship
It really all makes sense.

If it all made sense, you would be able to explain it in a sensible way and give rational answers to simple questions about it. But we both know you can't.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there was one guy not so far from where i live who was known or suspected of being a paedophile, he had his door painted and the windows of his house smashed. Kids here still play in the streets, its almost impossible to watch these types of persons at all times.

there was one guy not so far from where i live who was known or suspected of being a paedophile or more probably just a guy.

Are you condemning this man without trial?

Do JWs support vigilantism?

Originally posted by sonship
I don't know why it should be so very difficult to realize that where fallible man with all his powers of surveillance, might not catch something, Someone bigger would see.

All your public records, surveillance, human observation, court ordered inspections, social work notices, parole reportings, public notices, Internet info files, etc. are all human in ...[text shortened]... ing of all our sins before an infallible and perfectly righteous God. It really all makes sense.

if he sees something then he should report it to the nearest police station.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
there was one guy not so far from where i live who was known or suspected of being a paedophile or more probably just a guy.

Are you condemning this man without trial?

Do JWs support vigilantism?

No I am merely reporting what happened to him. Do I portray myself as someone who is against due process and who supports vigilantism?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No I am merely reporting what happened to him. Do I portray myself as someone who is against due process and who supports vigilantism?

you support god, the most prolific vigilante in history.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
you support god, the most prolific vigilante in history.

hardly, in fact I cannot think of a single instance where God has exercised his divine justice without first offering a warning or seeking repentance and in fact he has turned back his wrath on many occasion because people demonstrated a repentant attitude. Can you cite a vigilantly who has done the same? No? then your words are but hollow spheres for an anger that is a thinly veiled prejudice.

wow I am waxing lyrical today 😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hardly, in fact I cannot think of a single instance where God has exercised his divine justice without first offering a warning or seeking repentance and in fact he has turned back his wrath on many occasion because people demonstrated a repentant attitude. Can you cite a vigilantly who has done the same? No? then your words are but hollow spheres for an anger that is a thinly veiled prejudice.

wow I am waxing lyrical today 😀

are you making up your own definition of words again robbie?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are you making up your own definition of words again robbie?

so you couldn't provide a single example - let me know when you can.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
But you are a mere minstrel not a fully ordained and duly appointed minister of God and have no recourse to the provision of penitent privilege, you could not therefore invoke a clause of confidentiality in the case of a confession. I on the other hand face much more weighty dilemmas!

Yes child safety is paramount for sure, but their is also du ...[text shortened]...

If someone accused me of child abuse I would probably ask them to prove it in a court of law.

There is no dilemma when dealing with the care and safety of children. Child safety is paramount. End of. That you think there is a dilemma I find slightly disturbing to be honest.

As for my question, you got the wrong end of the stick. I'm asking what you would do if a child of JW parents told you they were being abused? Not that they accused you of being an abuser.