Incomes relative to Religions in USA.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your hierarchy has a lot to answer, it has been proven in court that in 1989 the Watchtower Society implemented a policy that instructed elders to keep child sex abuse accusations secret. That is why your organisation has been found liable in this case, and would also shed some light as to why your organisations sex abuse court case numbers are so low.

in 1989, for goodness sake, this is twenty years later, there has been many revisions
and we have a child protection policy, would you also like me to retrieve that from
wikipedia, for your perusal. I see, how many case have been hidden?

Originally posted by FMF
Full time ministers?

Indeed, people who spend their time helping others to learn Biblical truths.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are weaselling your way around the question FMF. If Catholicism encourages it
members to lead a simple life free from materialism, surely there must be some
reference in all of those magazines, some invitation to take up part time work to help
others.

The only Catholic magazine I read, and it is nowadays only when I am at my in-laws house, is "Hidup". Plenty of stories and articles and essays about how to live one's life in accordance with Jesus' teaching, voluntary work, youth schemes, working with the poor, articles about full time ministers working selflessly for long hours etc. The Bible though is the key to everything, of course.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed, people who spend their time helping others to learn Biblical truths.

Oh, does that include your door-to-door stuff?

Originally posted by FMF
Oh, does that include your door-to-door stuff?

Indeed.

Originally posted by FMF
The only Catholic magazine I read, and it is nowadays only when I am at my in-laws house, is "Hidup". Plenty of stories and articles and essays about how to live one's life in accordance with Jesus' teaching, voluntary work, youth schemes, working with the poor, articles about full time ministers working selflessly for long hours etc. The Bible though is the key to everything, of course.

make with the reddies then.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
make with the reddies then.

What do you mean? I'm not going to scout the internet and copy and past things written by Catholics for other Catholics.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
in 1989, for goodness sake, this is twenty years later, there has been many revisions
and we have a child protection policy, would you also like me to retrieve that from
wikipedia, for your perusal. I see, how many case have been hidden?

It doesn't matter if it was 20 years ago, your organisation has been found guilty of adopting a policy in which sexual abuse cases were instructed to be covered up. It doesn't get any more heinous than that.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your hierarchy has a lot to answer, it has been proven in court that in 1989 the Watchtower Society implemented a policy that instructed elders to keep child sex abuse accusations secret. That is why your organisation has been found liable in this case, and would also shed some light as to why your organisations sex abuse court case numbers are so low.

a lot to answerer for, really,

In June 2012, a California court ordered the Watch Tower Society to pay more than
US$20 million in compensation and punitive damages to a woman who, as a child,
was allegedly abused by a member. The court found that congregation elders,
following the policies of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, contributed to the
abuse. Lawyers for the Society said that they would appeal the ruling, calling the
decision "unprecedented" and denying responsibility for abuse.[58][59][60][61]
In the post-trial motion, the Watch Tower Society's attorney stated in a court
memorandum that no United States court has previously found its conduct or policy
regarding sex abuse to be unlawful, claiming that the Watch Tower Society's
reprehensibility is "very low" if any.[62] The court reduced the Watch Tower
Society's total liability to US$10 million, stating that the elders as agents of the
Watch Tower Society failed to disclose to other parents regarding the confession of
the molester who inappropriately touched his step daughter, adding that the
reprehensibility is of "medium range".[63]

This is of course not the case anymore, is it, you really should stop reading
sensationalistic journalism, read FMF instead, its just as good.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It doesn't matter if it was 20 years ago, your organisation has been found guilty of adopting a policy in which sexual abuse cases were instructed to be covered up. It doesn't get any more heinous than that.

read the above and again, how many cases did we hide, you have not said.

Originally posted by FMF
Oh, does that include your door-to-door stuff?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed.

Well as you well know from our previous discussions, I am quite unimpressed by your organization's members' door-to-door activities. I think it is far more to do with the self-regard and vanity that stitches your carefully cultivated sense of belonging and otherness together, than it has to do with the impact it has on the peope whose doorsteps you stand on. I think "part time work" of this kind is almost entirely in the realm of psychology. I don't mean this unkindly; remember I have had some good friends who were JWs, in the UK and in Japan. So I have some insight. I don't think "part time work" of the door-to-door variety has much if anything to do with "materialism". I think it addresses quite different needs deep down in those who seek to inflate its actual worth and significance. In fact, trying to dismiss people who think differently and who tick in a different way as being "materialists" as you have done countless times on this form, is part and parcel of that groupist need.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It doesn't matter if it was 20 years ago, your organisation has been found guilty of adopting a policy in which sexual abuse cases were instructed to be covered up. It doesn't get any more heinous than that.

No a body of elders was found guilty of not disclosing an admission of guilt by a
perpetrator to other parents, this while serious, its not the case anymore, is it. Again
how many cases have we covered up.

Originally posted by FMF
Well as you well know from our previous discussions, I am quite unimpressed by your organization's members' door-to-door activities. I think it is far more to do with the self-regard and vanity that stitches your carefully cultivated sense of belonging and otherness together, than it has to do with the impact it has on the peope whose doorsteps you stand on. I t uite different needs in those who seek to inflate it's actual worth and significance.

we are not interested in impressing you, if you want to be impressed, go and see Titian work of art.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we are not interested in impressing you, if you want to be impressed, go and see Titian work of art.

I don't really want you to be affected by me not being impressed. But just as long as you know that when your mention of "part time work" is in fact a reference to you going door-to-door, then it is "part time work" with a big asterisk, denoting [at least to me] 'vanity', 'self-importance', 'groupism'.

we are not interested in impressing you

Well exactly. It isn't about impressing me or anyone, it's about recruiting, and to that extent it's about you. Quite so.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't really want you to be affected by me not being impressed. But just as long as you know that when your mention of "part time work" is in fact a reference to you going door-to-door, then it is "part time work" with a big asterisk, denoting [at least to me] 'vanity', 'self-importance', 'groupism'.

I am not affected in any way, call it what you will, unless you walk the walk you cannot talk the talk.