Incomes relative to Religions in USA.

Originally posted by FMF
Well my experience is certainly a clear indication that Catholics are counselled to lead a simple life free from the pursuit of wealth for its own sake, and that this is supported by the teaching of Jesus.

so you say, i guess we must believe you because well, you said it. Which publications
have you produced which encourage others to take up part time work.

Originally posted by FMF
I think the tertiary education factor is quite possibly a factor. You seem to be dismissing it by making personal remarks about me rather than dealing with it at face value.

we know what you think, problem is, it has no validity other than because you think it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what i stated was, now for the forth time was that it was a state of mind, and while it is
not dependent upon wealth it may or may not be an indication of materialism, now
stated for the second time, you tedious crashing bore. I refuse to believe that you are
so thoroughly deviod of reason so as to recognise this.

The assertion that "materialism is a state of mind, that is why it is not dependent upon wealth" is surely an assertion about "materialism" rather than an assertion about one particular denomination.

Originally posted by FMF
The assertion that "materialism is a state of mind, that is why it is not dependent upon wealth" is surely an assertion about "materialism" rather than an assertion about one particular denomination.

I have explained it five times, i will not do so again.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we know what you think, problem is, it has no validity other than because you think it.

But if that is so, isn't your apparent contention that the JW organization's counselling against its members going into the tertiary education does not affect the proportion of people earning those higher salaries, have no particular "validity other than because you think it" too?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Perhaps the Mormon bankers who built Las Vegas should have read this prior to it, pity
that. What one reads and what one actually puts into practice are two different things,
this is not an inducement to lead a simple life, its merely a condemnation of the rich.

Says the man who's organisation has just had $1 billion in assets frozen pending the outcome of a sexual abuse case.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have explained it five times, i will not do so again.

But it does not add up. And what you're saying has shifted. And parts of it seem contradictory. You say "materialism is not dependent upon wealth" but then you base assertions about "materialism" on data about "wealth". And then on top of that you apply your dictum in a selective and self-serving way. The more you 'explain', the more holes there seem to be in what you're saying.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Says the man who's organisation has just had $1 billion in assets frozen pending the outcome of a sexual abuse case.

thats nada, the government of France owes us a hefty amount from an unfair tax that
their corrupt ministers imposed upon us, thank God for the European court of Human
rights. Sigh, I told you, you cant touch this, cant touch this.

Originally posted by FMF
But it does not add up. And what you're saying has shifted. And parts of it seem contradictory. You say "materialism is not dependent upon wealth" but then you base assertions about "materialism" on data about "wealth". And then on top of that you apply your dictum in a selecting and self-serving way. The more you 'explain', the more holes there seem to be in what you're saying.

it makes perfect sense to me, if it doesn't make sense to you then I am sorry, here it is,

materialism is a state of mind, although wealth may or may not be an indication of a materialistic disposition,

tell me, what it is about this statement that you do not understand,

are we agreed that materialism is a state of mind? if the answer is yes, then fine, might someone be wealthy and not materialistic yes, might someone be wealthy and be materialistic yes, why, because materialism is not measured in terms of wealth, it is a state of mind. again, what is it about this statement that you do not understand.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
thats nada, the government of France owes us a hefty amount from an unfair tax that
their corrupt ministers imposed upon us, thank God for the European court of Human
rights. Sigh, I told you, you cant touch this, cant touch this.

It is nada, that's only the value of the real estate in the US, the figure of your organisations total assets is way higher. The leaders of your organisation must be laughing at you fodder chumps all the way to the bank.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
thats nada, the government of France owes us a hefty amount from an unfair tax that
their corrupt ministers imposed upon us, thank God for the European court of Human
rights. Sigh, I told you, you cant touch this, cant touch this.

"That's nada"? Well. To put a tax dispute somehow ahead of achieving the proper outcome in a massive sexual abuse case would be rather materialistic of you and your organization, don't you think?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
materialism is a state of mind, although wealth may or may not be an indication of a materialistic disposition,

tell me, what it is about this statement that you do not understand,

materialism is a state of mind, although wealth may or may not be an indication of a materialistic disposition

But this is surely about "materialism" and applies to everyone, and not just Jehovah's Witnesses?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It is nada, that's only the value of the real estate in the US, the figure of your organisations total assets is way higher. The leaders of your organisation must be laughing at you fodder chumps all the way to the bank.

yawn, considering that donations are entirely voluntary, i think your statement rather crass to be honest, we are awesome, so we own a bit of property in New York, so what.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
are we agreed that materialism is a state of mind? if the answer is yes, then fine, might someone be wealthy and not materialistic yes, might someone be wealthy and be materialistic yes, why, because materialism is not measured in terms of wealth, it is a state of mind. again, what is it about this statement that you do not understand.

If, as you say, "materialism is not measured in terms of wealth", then how come you based assertions about "materialism" on data about "wealth" in the OP?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]materialism is a state of mind, although wealth may or may not be an indication of a materialistic disposition

But this is surely about "materialism" and applies to everyone, and not just Jehovah's Witnesses?[/b]

again, whether it applies to other people remains to be seen, provide some evidence and we can evaluate it. If you think its a statement about materialism then so be it, i have drawn no conclusions other than what apply to Jehovahs witnesses. why, because I have evidence in their case, all you have provided is opinions, yyour own as substantiating evidence of its application elsewhere despite being asked to provide independent empirical evidence of its application, in practice.