@kellyjay saidWhen people hear you say this they should bear in mind that only a day ago you said this: "Nope, I admit I don't know it all. I am however willing to watch or read one of those links you pointed me to." So what is it to be? You do know it all and so you are NOT continuing to look? Or you admit you DON'T know it all so you ARE willing to continue to look. You can't have it both ways. The less inarticulate and sanctimonious waffle you post, the less you will contradict yourself.
When I find the answer to a sum, I don’t continue looking at why all other answers or opinions are wrong.
@kellyjay saidSorry Kelly, but the whole 'Garden of Eden' thing was clearly just a story, no different than the stories other religions have in their mythology to account for creation. It is therefore profoundly erroneous to view modern man as sinful due to the sins of fictional characters in a story.
Funny I'm thinking about the same issue, but it being your error. Adam and Eve knew the Word of God and went against it anyway.
“Did God actually say..."
Your rejecting the scripture, they rejected the Word of God right out of His mouth. The error was then, and is now, just rejecting the Word of God. Your telling me I shouldn't take the Word of God seriously, or some ...[text shortened]... and if you die in that condition, then your fate is fixed, condemned, you will stand with the goats.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou actually disagree God is real do you not? So why should I be surprised events within scripture are denied by you, especially those that can only be true if God were true.
Sorry Kelly, but the whole 'Garden of Eden' thing was clearly just a story, no different than the stories other religions have in their mythology to account for creation. It is therefore profoundly erroneous to view modern man as sinful due to the sins of fictional characters in a story.
@kellyjay saidWhat do you think "events within scripture" prove about your God figure? Do you think "events within the scripture" of Islam prove something about the Islamic version of your Abrahamic God?
So why should I be surprised events within scripture are denied by you, especially those that can only be true if God were true.
09 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidAdam and Eve didn’t write any of the canon of biblical scripture, probably because linguistics and writing didn’t exist. They were expelled from the “garden”, lived their lives, told their stories to their kids and they died. And their kids died, and their kids, kids died and the kids of kids of the kids died, and so on for generations.
You actually disagree God is real do you not? So why should I be surprised events within scripture are denied by you, especially those that can only be true if God were true.
There were no eye witnesses to the events in Eden and generations passed before Moses, an ex-prince of Egypt wrote it down based on the lore handed down through generations. God will have guided him to ensure the principles of the fall of man were captured as a warning to generations to follow.
But you have to take a step back and consider wether the genesis account is literal or metaphorical. Truth yes but written in the poetry of images, a poetic account of a drama which occurred in a primordial world probably at the metaphorical ‘dawn of time’ by a being using a creative power/science that no one today, let alone in ancient Hebrew-land would have clue about.
Real trees with roots in a pseudo-soil sucking up nutrients and producing eternal life giving fruit which a person literally bites into and chews and digests and presumably eventually defecates it. Tree bear literal fruit which contains literal mind-expanding knowledge which causes you to die. Really!!?
If you tell a non Christian that this stuff is all absolutely literal then you are doing the gospel a disservice. In adopting this “it’s all literal” stance of yours you are abdicating all the rationality which God gave you.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord
Isaiah 1:18a
@kellyjay saidMany Christians do not take such episodes in Genesis as literal occurrences. You can't just pin this on my atheism.
You actually disagree God is real do you not? So why should I be surprised events within scripture are denied by you, especially those that can only be true if God were true.
@divegeester saidMany feel that "original sin" by Adam and Eve set in motion the chain reaction requiring Jesus' death.
Adam and Eve didn’t write any of the canon of biblical scripture, probably because linguistics and writing didn’t exist. They were expelled from the “garden”, lived their lives, told their stories to their kids and they died. And their kids died, and their kids, kids died and the kids of kids of the kids died, and so on for generations.
There were no eye witnesses to ...[text shortened]... ty which God gave you.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord
Isaiah 1:18a
Take away that story, and the rest may collapse as well.
@chaney3 saidWhat makes you believe that Jesus' death had anything to do with anything other than the Romans executing him for being seen as an uppity rabbi who might cause some unrest?
Many feel that "original sin" by Adam and Eve set in motion the chain reaction requiring Jesus' death.
Take away that story, and the rest may collapse as well.
@chaney3 saidNot necessarily. Stories such as Adam and Eve could be viewed as metaphors that harbour truth. So, even when not taken literally can still transfer the message that God created everything and that mankind fell away from God's original plan.
Many feel that "original sin" by Adam and Eve set in motion the chain reaction requiring Jesus' death.
Take away that story, and the rest may collapse as well.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe bible does itself NO favors by telling a story involving a talking snake and forbidden fruit.
Not necessarily. Stories such as Adam and Eve could be viewed as metaphors that harbour truth. So, even when not taken literally can still transfer the message that God created everything and that mankind fell away from God's original plan.
If "truth" exists about what Adam and Eve 'really' did to aggravate God, then that's what should have been in Genesis, to give the story credibility.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidA world full of "sinless" Adam and Eves would presumably not have required laws and other social infrastructure for maintaining order and/or hierarchy etc.
Not necessarily. Stories such as Adam and Eve could be viewed as metaphors that harbour truth. So, even when not taken literally can still transfer the message that God created everything and that mankind fell away from God's original plan.
Adam and Eve being depicted in mythology as having "fallen" explained the distinctly motley behaviours of human beings in the course of living out their lives as social creatures.
This could then justify (a.k.a spiritual basis, a.k.a. intellectual and moral basis for) laws and social order and a scary God figure who had been ~ according to the allegorical folklore ~ let down by humanity etc. etc. blah blah ad convolutum.