Abiogenesis and evolution: James Tour

@kellyjay said
As I pointed out to you, the arrangement of all the necessary pieces of every life is the thing that matters, in the proper sequence, with the proper quantities, and so on! NO ONE disputes they exist, you can order some and have them delivered to your door for crying out loud. You did actually listen to the whole thing, didn't you?

@kellyjay said
You did actually listen to the whole thing, didn't you?

@KellyJay
Funny how you can use that life from non-life as a real argument since NO HUMAN has ever seen it happen one way or the other but you latch on to it as if it was a real thing and what it is for real is your innermost fear there really IS no god so you latch on to unproveable theories like this where you just SAY can't happen because GODDIDIT.
That will be your bottom line no matter how many folks post here.
One problem with all that. Science advances every day and we get closer and closer to that particular riddle.

I imagine you hope you don't live long enough for science to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that life CAN arise from non-life and they generate some kind of primitive animal that roots around and eats and poops and reproduces and such, of course fantasy right now but I imagine you desperately hope you never live to see such a development.
But you can rationalize all that away by just saying ok, we proved that life can come from non-life but god STILL did it here, you can't prove god CAN'T do it so can keep my faith.
And that is fine, nobody would try to rip that out of you, it is part of you and will be for the rest of your life but just try to realize you can't post stuff here by respected scientists who happen to be creationists and expect us to just fall over and play dead.
Just because a scientist says GODDIDIT doesn't make it so.

@moonbus said
No, I did not. I gave up about halfway through. After a dozen or so factually false statements and logically invalid arguments, I lose patience, and cannot be bothered to refute each one, point by point. He committed his first blunder right away in the opening by referring to cells as little factories and machines. Cells are no such things; cells are organisms, they are funda ...[text shortened]... not a testable hypothesis, therefore not science. Scientific method is to keep looking for evidence.

@sonhouse said
@KellyJay
Funny how you can use that life from non-life as a real argument since NO HUMAN has ever seen it happen one way or the other but you latch on to it as if it was a real thing and what it is for real is your innermost fear there really IS no god so you latch on to unproveable theories like this where you just SAY can't happen because GODDIDIT.
That will be your bot ...[text shortened]... pect us to just fall over and play dead.
Just because a scientist says GODDIDIT doesn't make it so.

@moonbus said
"A cell is a factory, a machine" is a metaphor, a figure of speech. Don't take it literally. This figure of speech prejudices his whole 'take' on life, because a machine is designed, so he thinks molecules must be 'designed', too. Begging the question much.

He makes the same mistake as many other creationists: confuses evolution with how life got started. Evolution does no ...[text shortened]... auses eclipses or infectious diseases. We found out eventually, and it wasn't godidit. Keep looking.

@kellyjay said
Not watching the whole thing you don't have a stinking clue what the whole presentation says.

@moonbus said
Tour says “God did it”, right ? And if he doesn’t dare say it outright, that’s what he means, right ?

@kellyjay said
Stick to the science, can you do that, or is it for you an automatic rejection if the mere possibility of God is even possible? If only the possibility of God being raised is enough for you to reject it out of hand, that isn't rejecting anything on science, but merely your presumptions in your worldview, you have a blind spot.

Show where you think he is wrong with the sc ...[text shortened]... essed in the talk and you more than likely didn't even see them but commented on them as if you did.

@kellyjay said
Thought so, and BS on the factually false claims.

@sonhouse said
@moonbus
One of the issues he did mention was about how life started on Earth, he said, it could be from another planet, there is a theory life got kickstarted by a meteorite coming from Mars where presumably a billion years ago the was life there and a meter crash took some of that material to Earth.
So he mentioned that idea or that aliens brought life to Earth, then he ...[text shortened]... out?

Of course THAT issue will never be taken seriously by anyone duped into organized religions.

@catpower25 said
My old priest Father peter maguire when challenged about the voracity of God always said obviously he exists we made him. I though Clever sod.

@kellyjay said
Take to the Spiritual forum

@moonbus said
"Enzymes check it, and if it's not right another enzyme comes and ..."


False. Factually in error. Enzymes do not "check" anything. 11:16 minutes in. I don't need to look at the rest. He anthropomorphizes all the way through.

@catpower25 said
My old priest Father peter maguire when challenged about the voracity of God always said obviously he exists we made him. I though Clever sod.