15 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidNot really I’d say that in 1990, least in part, Saddam Hussein was the most feared man in the world.
By 1990 Tyson was the most feared man on the planet.
15 Aug 19
@hand-of-hecate saidYes probably in their prime, but Ali would have taken Tyson in their relative later years.
Wrong. Even with both in there prime, Tyson would have destroyed Ali.
15 Aug 19
@very-rusty saidI'm not some people
Think he could have beaten Tyson?.... 😉
-VR
I don't know who the world champ was at that time
but no
stallone would not have lasted one round
at five eight 180 pounds stallone is a pipsqueak
15 Aug 19
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@divegeester saidI would disagree Ali would have beat him when they were both in their Prime and later. I watched pretty well all of both their fights at the beginning and during their boxing careers. Only think is if Tyson hit Ali it could be a KO...I just don't think he could have connected Ali was just to quick on his feet. Around the end of career when he started the rope-a-dope stuff he should have retired, as he had slowed down considerably.
Yes probably in their prime, but Ali would have taken Tyson in their relative later years.
-VR
15 Aug 19
@very-rusty saidAli used the rope-a-dope against Foreman
I would disagree Ali would have beat him when they were both in their Prime and later. I watched pretty well all of both their fights at the beginning and during their boxing careers. Only think is if Tyson hit Ali it could be a KO...I just don't think he could have connected Ali was just to quick on his feet. Around the end of career when he started the rope-a-dope stuff he should have retired, as he had slowed down considerably.
-VR
it was beautiful
15 Aug 19
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@lemondrop saidEveryone has their own perception of what a good fight is. Ali really should have retired in my opinion. He started getting a lot of hits to the head that would have never happened when he was in his prime. It is hard to retire when it is in your blood though. (Granted it is one of the most talked about fights and I believe one of the biggest purses in his career)
Ali used the rope-a-dope against Foreman
it was beautiful
-VR
15 Aug 19
@very-rusty saidDo you agree or disagree?
Doesn't matter in this case Andy, you either agree or disagree.
15 Aug 19
@handyandy saidYou are the one who seemed to have an issue with it Andy? Give me reasons why you don't agree? I believe it is fairly accurate in my opinion.
Do you agree or disagree?
-VR
15 Aug 19
@divegeester saidOkay then, apologies.
I’m just asking what criteria you are basing this assessment on.
For examples, win ratio, number of wins, number of rounds to win, number of knockouts, number of championship fights, number of title regains, age of title wins, age of last title win, speed of punch, punches given, punches received.
And so on and so forth.
Tyson's case was unique for me. He obviously had enough stats along with heavyweight champ to be considered one of the greats, but for me it was his menacing walk to the ring putting warranted fear into his opponent that did it for me.
It was the fact he was so feared that attracted people to want to see him destroy his opponents.
I don't think any other fighter in history had that quality to the degree Tyson did.
15 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidHe lost well over 1in 10 of his pro fights
Okay then, apologies.
Tyson's case was unique for me. He obviously had enough stats along with heavyweight champ to be considered one of the greats, but for me it was his menacing walk to the ring putting warranted fear into his opponent that did it for me.
It was the fact he was so feared that attracted people to want to see him destroy his opponents.
I don't think any other fighter in history had that quality to the degree Tyson did.
His record does not stack up against any of the true greats
Move on
15 Aug 19
@st-dominics-preview saidAgain, unique situation. His record suffered after the Douglas fight.
He lost well over 1in 10 of his pro fights
His record does not stack up against any of the true greats
Move on
I'm talking about the Iron Mike...before that fight.
15 Aug 19
@chaney3
Jeez. How many times?
You can't cherry pick part of a guys career!! It is the whole thing. Otherwise this discussion is aimless
15 Aug 19
@st-dominics-preview saidThat's just it. I disagree with you that he requires the best record in boxing history to be considered the best.
@chaney3
Jeez. How many times?
You can't cherry pick part of a guys career!! It is the whole thing. Otherwise this discussion is aimless
15 Aug 19
@chaney3
No, but you need to explain why his relatively poor, at this level, record deserves to be considered.
'He was good until 24, destroying journeyman and has beens, then met some decent fighters and was found out
Don't really do it.
15-20 on all time list of heavyweights is generous
16 Aug 19
@very-rusty saidI have no issue with your list. I merely asked where it came from.
You are the one who seemed to have an issue with it Andy? Give me reasons why you don't agree? I believe it is fairly accurate in my opinion.
-VR
Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali belong at the top. I would have found a place for Rocky Marciano.