11 Apr 05
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Originally posted by dj2beckerWhat I posted is from science, you post word games.
Thomas Huxley said: "The primary and direct evidence in favor of evolution can only be furnished only by paleontology... If evolution has taken place, its marks will be left, if it has not taken place, there will be its refutation."
...[text shortened]... more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone."
11 Apr 05
The existence of the universe only proves the existence of the universe, nothing more. It no more needs a begining or a creator than God does.
Junk science and semantic arguments aside: The "proof" of God is a rewrite of Sumerian polytheistic myths and legends into ethnocentric monotheism.
Prove God in the lab or go back to church and let scientists get on with learning how the universe works.
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12 Apr 05
Originally posted by frogstompExamining creation will bring us closer to the Creator. That is what the earliest founders of science believed, or as the founders of astronomy put it, we would merely be thinking God's thoughts after Him.
The existence of the universe only proves the existence of the universe, nothing more. It no more needs a begining or a creator than God does.
Junk science and semantic arguments aside: The "proof" of God is a rewrite of Sumerian polytheistic myths and legends into ethnocentric monotheism.
Prove God in the lab or go back to church and let scientists get on with learning how the universe works.
But something happened on the way to the twentieth century. In the middle of the nineteenth century when modern science began to develop, the enitre scientific enterprise was hijacked.
I am refering to Darwins's theory of evolution. Canada's leading scientist, who was chosen to write the Introduction to the centennial edition of The Origin of the Species, said that the greatest evil Darwin has brought upon the world is to somehow divide science from God and, in fact, set the two at each other's throats.
12 Apr 05
Originally posted by dj2beckersuch utter nonsense !
Examining creation will bring us closer to the Creator. That is what the earliest founders of science believed, or as the founders of astronomy put it, we would merely be thinking God's thoughts after Him.
But something happened on the way to the twentieth century. In the middle of the nineteenth century when modern science began to develop, the enitr ...[text shortened]... ld is to somehow divide science from God and, in fact, set the two at each other's throats.
12 Apr 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou can't be that much of a nonconposmentist.: can you?
Your link is totally irrelevant to the topic. I found no refutation of any of my sources.
or did you miss this part :
"Two other Italian scientists of the time, Galileo and Bruno, embraced the Copernican theory unreservedly and as a result suffered much personal injury at the hands of the powerful church inquisitors. Giordano Bruno had the audacity to even go beyond Copernicus, and, dared to suggest, that space was boundless and that the sun was and its planets were but one of any number of similar systems: Why! -- there even might be other inhabited worlds with rational beings equal or possibly superior to ourselves. For such blasphemy, Bruno was tried before the Inquisition, condemned and burned at the stake in 1600. Galileo was brought forward in 1633, and, there, in front of his "betters," he was, under the threat of torture and death, forced to his knees to renounce all belief in Copernican theories, and was thereafter sentenced to imprisonment for the remainder of his days."
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12 Apr 05
Originally posted by frogstompThere is no branch that looks at a larger portion of God's handiork than do astronomers. The Scripture says: "The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork". (Psalm 19:1); "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen" (Romans 1:10). Ninety percent of all astronomers today believe in God! Those who have most thoroughly examined His handiwork believe in God. That is a higher percentage than will be found of butchers, bakers, or candlestick-makers. Those who have looked most intently and to the fartherest extent that man has been able to see in the universe have concluded that the hand that made it is Divine.
You can't be that much of a nonconposmentist.: can you?
or did you miss this part :
"Two other Italian scientists of the time, Galileo and Bruno, embraced the Copernican theory unreservedly and as a result suffered much personal injury at the hands of the powerful church inquisitors. Giordano Bruno had the audacity to even go beyond Coperni ...[text shortened]... rnican theories, and was thereafter sentenced to imprisonment for the remainder of his days."
Dr Robert Jastrow, one of the world's great astronomers, is founder and director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at NASA. In his blockbuster book, God and the Astronomers, he says "strange developments" are going on in astronomy. One of these was that the universe has a beginning. And that means there had to be a "Beginner." As Jastrow put it "The scientist has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak, and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."