9am is too early.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
I see myself as 'open' , whereas I see the likes of Second Son as 'closed'

Agreed.

You are both like a bottle of milk, but only Second Son has his lid on. As a consequence of your openness, your milk has gone sour.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
On the rare occasions I have become drunk (and you can count them on one hand) I simply go extremely quiet, before falling asleep. This frustrated my sister considerably, who plied me with alcohol over the Christmas period believing it would make me more sociable.

Even your family think you are socially dull?

**ref steps in: “no blows below the waist gentlemen”**

Originally posted by @chaney3
Both of you, FMF and Ghost, are trying to act mightier than thou, and you're minimizing a common fact: being drunk means you are highly likely to act differently than when sober.

Why are you disputing this common knowledge?

Alcohol is I relaxant and disinhibitor but disinhibition does not necessarily mean behaving immorally.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Even your family think you are socially dull?

**ref steps in: “no blows below the waist gentlemen”**

lol My sister certainly does.

She tends to host our Christmas gatherings and wants everyone to be perpetually jovial.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
lol My sister certainly does.

She tends to host our Christmas gatherings and wants everyone to be perpetually jovial.

How has this circumstance come to be the norm? Perhaps you could host Christmas at yours and instruct everyone to be sober and somber?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Alcohol is I relaxant and disinhibitor but disinhibition does not necessarily mean behaving immorally.

I wonder if anyone would admit to having a 'desire' to do something, but keep that desire at bay while sober.....but then if drunk actually go through with it.
I'm certain that many affairs, for example, start while one is under the influence of alcohol.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I wonder if anyone would admit to having a 'desire' to do something, but keep that desire at bay while sober.....but then if drunk actually go through with it.
I'm certain that many affairs, for example, start while one is under the influence of alcohol.

That people do immoral things when intoxicated does not make being intoxicated itself immoral.

Originally posted by @divegeester
That people do immoral things when intoxicated does not make being intoxicated itself immoral.

It's cause and effect.
Without the alcohol, the affair doesn't happen.

Originally posted by @chaney3
It's cause and effect.
Without the alcohol, the affair doesn't happen.

For certain people, not for the majority of people who have a drink, have a laugh, go to sleep and wake up with nothing more than a headache.

Originally posted by @divegeester
For certain people, not for the majority of people who have a drink, have a laugh, go to sleep and wake up with nothing more than a headache.

We were discussing intoxication and desires of the flesh, not a mere drink or two.
The dilemma here is that most deny having desires of the flesh, and instead call it "immoral behavior" as if their minds are absent of these desires.
We all have the battle going on in the mind, and being drunk highly increases the likelihood of carrying out these desires, that would never unfold when sober.

Originally posted by @chaney3
We were discussing intoxication and desires of the flesh, not a mere drink or two.
The dilemma here is that most deny having desires of the flesh, and instead call it "immoral behavior" as if their minds are absent of these desires.
We all have the battle going on in the mind, and being drunk highly increases the likelihood of carrying out these desires, that would never unfold when sober.

For some people, yes. If you are one of these people then you should take responsibility and not drink.

Originally posted by @chaney3
We were discussing intoxication and desires of the flesh, not a mere drink or two.
The dilemma here is that most deny having desires of the flesh, and instead call it "immoral behavior" as if their minds are absent of these desires.
We all have the battle going on in the mind, and being drunk highly increases the likelihood of carrying out these desires, that would never unfold when sober.

If you can't handle alcohol and behave in an immoral way when you're drunk, don't drink.

Originally posted by @chaney3
We all have the battle going on in the mind, and being drunk highly increases the likelihood of carrying out these desires, that would never unfold when sober.

Perhaps you should stay sober then. There is no "battle going on in my mind" when I am drunk. If you think there is a battle going on in your mind when you drink and you pose some sort of danger to others as a result, you should stay sober.

Originally posted by @divegeester
How has this circumstance come to be the norm? Perhaps you could host Christmas at yours and instruct everyone to be sober and somber?

Location really. (And a bigger house).

She also enjoys cooking. 🙂

Originally posted by @chaney3
I wonder if anyone would admit to having a 'desire' to do something, but keep that desire at bay while sober.....but then if drunk actually go through with it.
I'm certain that many affairs, for example, start while one is under the influence of alcohol.

The morality of a well-adjusted adult doesn't disintegrate under the influence of alcohol. If sobriety alone is keeping someone decent (or religion for that matter) then the person's morality is itself suspect.