Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 51 / Part 1)"Usage: Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional respons ...[text shortened]... al on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do." Others have addressed the same issue, e.g., Claire Hardaker, in her Ph.D. thesis "Trolling in asynchronous computer-mediated communication: From user discussions to academic definitions", and Dr. Phil.[citation needed] Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely, in sources as diverse as Nicole Sullivan's keynote speech at the 2012 Fluent Conference, titled "Don't Feed the Trolls" Gizmodo, online opinions on the subject written by Silicon Valley executives and comics.
Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, [citation needed] because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
The "trollface" is an image occasionally used to indicate trolling in Internet culture.
At times, the word can be abused to refer to anyone with controversial opinions they disagree with. Such usages goes against the ordinary meaning of troll in multiple ways. Most importantly, trolls don't actually believe the controversial views they claim. Farhad Manjoo criticises this view, noting that if the person really is trolling, they are a lot more intelligent than their critics would believe.
Online trolls launch a personal attack on the author by following some of these steps: Call the author names, make fun of the author’s appearance, attempt to correct the author’s already correct grammar, accuse the author of nefarious motives, such as attention-seeking. Claim any studies are biased, especially when they’re comprehensive meta-analysis of every rigorous study ever done (designed to correct for bias), insult the author’s family for good measure." (Bold mine / to be continued) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Originally copy pasted by Grampy BobbyDo you think this description you've copy pasted applies to robbie carrobie?
Online trolls launch a personal attack on the author by following some of these steps: Call the author names, make fun of the author’s appearance, attempt to correct the author’s already correct grammar, accuse the author of nefarious motives, such as attention-seeking.
20 Jan 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't think Grampy Bobby makes any secret of the fact he sees me as a "troll". Numerous times when I have had disagreements with him he has copy pasted something about "trolls" passive aggressively instead of actually tackling the criticism head on. But I am just curious as to whether he thinks any of the "troll" definitions he copy pastes apply to posters like you too.
Do you think the description that has been cited applies to FMF, I do.
Originally posted by FMFI don’t think its only Grandpa Bobby😵
I don't think Grampy Bobby makes any secret of the fact he sees me as a "troll". Numerous times when I have had disagreements with him he has copy pasted something about "trolls" passive aggressively instead of actually tackling the criticism head on. But I am just curious as to whether he thinks any of the "troll" definitions he copy pastes apply to posters like you too.
20 Jan 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think "living in a cave" (he had other names too) who cropped up on the Debates Forum a few times several years ago - suggesting in posts addressed to sh76 - a Jewish American - that the Jews be gassed and wiped off the face of the earth - was a "troll". I think that Sam The Sham - a Debates Forum poster still active but now under a different name, who once proposed that people with mental disabilities should be systematically exterminated to save "able bodied people" the bother of having them around - I think he was a "troll".
I don’t think its only Grandpa Bobby😵
On the other hand, I think people like you and Grampy Bobby use the word "troll" to smear people you disagree with or disapprove of - or to try and couch dissent or diversity in terms of some sort of supposed personal or psychological flaw - and in so doing render the word meaningless.
Originally posted by FMFI see you're really just a very pleasant happy go lucky fellow😵
I think "living in a cave" (he had other names too) who cropped up on the Debates Forum a few times several years ago - suggesting in posts addressed to sh76 - a Jewish American - that the Jews be gassed and wiped off the face of the earth - was a "troll". I think that Sam The Sham - a Debates Forum poster still active but now under a different name, who once pr ...[text shortened]... e sort of supposed personal or psychological flaw - and in so doing render the word meaningless.
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Originally posted by GHOST HUNTERI understand that as I've said several times and with which you seem to be having comprehension challenges. I'm NOT and NEVER HAVE been asking GB who paid his sub, I'm asking him why he started this thread if it wasn't to solicit a free subscription.
a mystery player paid his sub, out of kindness, i fail to see how you can't understand that.
GB has not got to answer to you or anyone with regards to who paid his subscription.
Of course Grampy Bobby won't want to answer this question because:
a) if he started it to solicit a free subscription he cannot admit it of course and he won't want to lie either
b) if he started it for another more attention-seeking reason like being fed up with the forums for example, then why did he accept the freebie? Clearly he was just making a fuss in order to draw attention to himself.
Both options are hardly edifying - hence why he won't answer.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have no idea and I don't think liking someone necessarily comes into it.
Do you think anyone likes you enough to pay for your subscription?
For example I'd pay yours if you were hard up, and I think you are a lying, abusive, amoral, hypocritical weasel with a prepubescent sense of humour.
20 Jan 16
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 59)
I have no idea and I don't think liking someone necessarily comes into it.
For example I'd pay yours if you were hard up, and I think you are a lying, abusive, amoral, hypocritical weasel with a prepubescent sense of humour.
"Usage: Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do." Others have addressed the same issue, e.g., Claire Hardaker, in her Ph.D. thesis "Trolling in asynchronous computer-mediated communication: From user discussions to academic definitions", and Dr. Phil.[citation needed] Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely, in sources as diverse as Nicole Sullivan's keynote speech at the 2012 Fluent Conference, titled "Don't Feed the Trolls" Gizmodo, online opinions on the subject written by Silicon Valley executives and comics.
Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, [citation needed] because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
The "trollface" is an image occasionally used to indicate trolling in Internet culture.
At times, the word can be abused to refer to anyone with controversial opinions they disagree with. Such usages goes against the ordinary meaning of troll in multiple ways. Most importantly, trolls don't actually believe the controversial views they claim. Farhad Manjoo criticises this view, noting that if the person really is trolling, they are a lot more intelligent than their critics would believe.
Online trolls launch a personal attack on the author by following some of these steps: Call the author names, make fun of the author’s appearance, attempt to correct the author’s already correct grammar, accuse the author of nefarious motives, such as attention-seeking. Claim any studies are biased, especially when they’re comprehensive meta-analysis of every rigorous study ever done (designed to correct for bias), insult the author’s family for good measure." (Bold mine / to be continued) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
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20 Jan 16
Originally posted by divegeester🙂 No one could accuse Robbie or yourself of sugar coating your opinions.
I have no idea and I don't think liking someone necessarily comes into it.
For example I'd pay yours if you were hard up, and I think you are a lying, abusive, amoral, hypocritical weasel with a prepubescent sense of humour.